Foreman vs Frazier 1...Different outcome??

Bokaj · Nov 17, 2016

jowcol said: ↑

IMO if George had not pushed Joe away often, the bombs would still have landed eventually. And as I've said numerous times, the 70's Ali, in retrospect, dictated his own course. Never would have given Foreman a rematch given chokelab's post, unless it was in Zaire or another planned venue. He didn't anyway. Ali was the #1 heavy of all time (as I've said) because we never saw his 67-70 prime. If you want to say George should have went thru Ali before Frazier in 72? That wasn't going to happen. Firstly, Ali had his 'agenda' set up even then and lastly why did the Foreman-Ali fight take place in Zaire of all places? Ali's pull and influence. Their 74 s c r a p should have been in the Astrodome. George was the Champ at the time; now, if Ali had come back from Oct 70 Quarry and beyond, and kicked major b u t t, one could argue a more compelling case for a different venue then the Astrodome but...he pounded Frazier in the FOTC but got clocked himself more than once and lost to Norton. Many of us never realized (including myself) that he wouldn't continue to be Superman upon his return. I'm rambling; in closing, like another poster said, a 72 Ali-Foreman was just not going to happen, an "apples and oranges" sort of thing. My $0.02
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No one else would put up 5 mil a head. Fantasy sum at that time. Double the purse Joe and Ali received for FOTC.

Bokaj · Nov 17, 2016

What always strikes me with both Frazier-Foreman fights is that Joe's punches just doesn't bother Foreman at all and every time George lands just a bit cleanly Joe starts to do the drunken dance. A short swarmer just can't win with that equation in place.

janitor · Nov 17, 2016

choklab said: ↑

Yes. What Joe could have done different was make George earn his #1 rating and fight an eliminator with #2 Ali rather than fight all the dead bodies who George did fight in 1972 that had not won fights since the 1950s. Terry Sorrell, Clarence Boone, Joe Murphy Gordwin.

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Frazier certainly had political options, in terms of avoiding the fight.

Short of that he could have done a lot better, but it is hard to see how he could have won.

JohnThomas1 · Nov 17, 2016

choklab said: ↑

To make it to the mandatory #1 position by 1973...you think George's 1972 form maintained that position? That's rediculous. He should have dropped down the ranks if anything.

Ali fought Mac Foster, Chuvalo, Patterson, Blue Lewis in 1972 alone. In the months after losing to Frazier Ali beat Ellis and Mathis!! Compare that with Foremans previous six opponents before his 1973 shot!

The last six guys Foreman fought before Frazier had over 80 defeats between them, with some not winning fights since 1950s. Every one of them unrated.
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Maybe the raters knew a talent when they saw one

Longhhorn71 · Nov 17, 2016

Bokaj said: ↑

What always strikes me with both Frazier-Foreman fights is that Joe's punches just doesn't bother Foreman at all and every time George lands just a bit cleanly Joe starts to do the drunken dance. A short swarmer just can't win with that equation in place.
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The Young George said after Fight One: "That thing was his Left Hook"? But that comment is hard to find
on the tapes available today due to editing.

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