foreman vs jeffries

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  1. mcvey

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    Johnson was not nearly beaten by Ketchel for christ sake watch the fight!He picks Ketchel up twice when he tags him and puts him back on his feet ,he placed Ketchel where he wanted to, like a rag doll.
     
  2. mcvey

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    How come a 45 year old Foreman goes 12 rds with Shannon Briggs ? How Come 1 42 year old Foreman kos Moorer? If George has no stamina how come he went the distance with Holyfield when he was an old man?
     
  3. mcvey

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    No one can say Jeffries had a better chin than Foreman as he never met a puncher in his prime who was near him in size.As to Jerffies stamina what footage we have of him shows him staying back waiting to counter Tom Sharkey ,who is doing all the leading,Sharkey is making the fight,Foreman fought at a faster pace ,we dont know that he couldnt match Jeffries ,he certainly handled himself ok at the advanced age of 45 when he was fighting men 20 years younger ,like the 216 lbs Coetzer,the 222 Moorer,the 227 Briggs and the226 Morrison,plus he went the distance and was competitve with Holyfield the reigning Champion,so maybe George had more stamina than you think.Forem gassed out against Ali ,trying to ko a man who was super durable,and he succumbed to the heat chasing an elusive Young ,thats what this is based on,a bit like saying Robinson had no stamina because he was tkod by Maxim.
     
  4. Maxmomer

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    Where did I say Foreman had no stamina? He had stamina, Jeffries had better stamina. Also, the Foreman that fought Briggs and Holyfield paced himself better than the 70's Foreman, which is the version we're discussing, here.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Fitz wrestled Roeber several times in exhibitions ,does this mean he would manhandle Foreman too?
     
  6. mcvey

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    I tend to think the 26 year old Foreman might have more stamina than the 45 year old one ,if he fights at the pace Jeffries fought at I see no problems for George in the tank department.Its possible Jeffries could walk through Foremans best shots ,its equally possible Foreman drops him dead as mutton.
     
  7. Maxmomer

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    Yeah, he controlled to whole fight, but to be fair, Ketchel did come pretty close to knocking him out.
     
  8. Maxmomer

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    Yes, Jeffries did fight at a slower pace than young George but I still think he had better stamina. I agree that's it's very plausible that George could blow Jeffries out in a few rounds, seeing as the hardest puncher Jeffries ever faced was probably the 180 pound Sharkey. His never faced anything even appraoching Foreman's power. That's why I picked George to win. I do think Jeffries has a decent chance, though.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Actually I think both Fitz and Choynsky hit harder than Sharkey.I also tend to think Jeffries would be able to take Foremans shots. I think Jeffries defence is overated ,he was banged up terribly in some fights,Foreman not only had class A power,he had a good hard jab,and a big uppercut that might be a danger to the crouching Jeffries.If Jeffries is stopped I think it would be a tko due to facial damage.People forget when Foreman was Champ ,before he met Ali he was considered by many experts as the hardest hitter of all time,he was on the cover of the Ring under that very heading.
     
  10. mcvey

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    I dont think Ketchel really buzzed Johnson at all he got careless and Ketchel took advantage ,Johnson was getting up as Stanley walked away,Jack soon put paid to Ketchel's frisky- ness.It was a cross that became a double cross ,imo.
     
  11. Maxmomer

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    Fitz, Sharkey and Choynski were all excellent punchers (Fitzsimmons probably the pound for pound hardest puncher of all time in my opinion). I think Jeffries would be able to take Foreman's power for a while, getting stopped maybe in the 7th or 8th. If Foreman really over-exerted himself like against Ali and Jeffries was able to survive he could take Foreman out late, but I'm edging towards Foreman.
     
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    I disagree. Johnson looks pretty dazed, and even though he started getting up quick, he took his time, and the punch didn't even land on the chin.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    When Johnson went down, he rolled over, and had to brace himself with his arm to get up. I think he was buzzed to a medium degree. Not buzzed like a drunken sailor, but visibly affected. Many fighters throw their hardest stuff when they are hurt, which is exactly what Johnson did.


    I think Ketchel was miscast as a heavyweight, but he could hit.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Johnson rated Choynsky first ,Fitz second and Jeffries third for power,he only sparred with Sharkey who hated the sight of him so he had no comment on him.Its interesting that Fitz kod Sharkey twice but Jeffries couldnt.Big muscles like Foremans need a lot of oxygen ,swinging haymakers and missing would blow out anyone,I suppose the longer it goes the better Jeffries chances.
     
  15. mcvey

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    It is supposed to have landed just above the ear ,Gunboat Smith who sparred with Johnson for the fight ,said it was a fake knockdown,try watching the punch land in slow motion,you get the impression Johnson is falling before the punch lands,I havent been able to make my mind up about it,other than it was a fixed fight ,with Johnson agreeing to take it easy ,and Ketchel reneging on the deal.
     


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