Foreman vs. Liston

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  1. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Yeah, and Foreman said Lyle was the toughest fighter he ever faced...notice fighters always talk up the guys they beat. It's always a guy who didn't even knock you down... who hit you the hardest. It's the guy you outboxed who was the smartest boxer you ever faced. Fighter ssay a lot of things... doesn't mean it's true.

    Mike Tyson said he should have lost to Carl The Truth Williams.

    Morrison and Briggs said that Foreman hit them the hardest.
     
  2. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    For the most part, Quarry lost to the World Champs. He was stopped by Frazier x2, Ali x2, and Norton. Sure, he beat Shavers and he beat an up and coming not quite peaked Lyle. Quarry would have gotten easily outboxed by Young and maybe even would have lost to Lyle in a rematch. What makes you think he would have beaten Foreman?

    He did draw with and win a close decision vs. a past prime Patterson. Patterson did drop Quarry and a lot of people feel he should have had at least one win over Quarry. Quarry lost to Ellis as well. He was dominated by a past prime Eddie Machen during his "up and coming" days. He was dropped and stopped in 7 by Chuvalo (although he probably could have continued on).

    I see Foreman destroying this guy.
     
  3. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe you're right. As boxing fans we both know that anything can happen in the ring and we are often wrong about our picks in fights that happen now, never mind hypothetical ones. I think that style wise, Quarry would have had a chance against George. I certainly don't know that. Maybe I should be less emphatic. Supposedly, Quarry fought Ellis with a back injury. Quarry was a novice compared to Machen at the time. He fought a darn stupid fight against Chuvalo. Patterson was still very good when he fought Quarry. And I agree that those decisions were close and debatable. Patterson went on to truly get robbed against Ellis and beat Bonavena, as you know. I do think that Liston would beat Foreman, and Quarry would of had a chance against George, but maybe I'm not even close.
     
  4. nikrj

    nikrj Active Member Full Member

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    lol Mike should be drunk when he said that.... :lol:
     
  5. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good points. I remember Frazier saying that Quarry had been his toughest opponent. I would think that maybe for Frazier, Foreman was his toughest opponent. The ten or so knockdowns should have given him that impression.
     
  6. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I like Foreman before 5
     
  7. gentleman jim

    gentleman jim gentleman jim Full Member

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    This is a tough one to decisively pick but I'll lean slightly toward Liston due to his straighter punching. A straight right will get there sooner than a wide swinging hook and I can envision Sonny stepping inside one of Foremans swings and sending a straight right to George's jaw. Whatever the outcome this fight does not go the distance so it's a KO by either one. Which one? Your guess is as good as mine.
     
  8. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Are we talking about the prime 74 Foreman or the 93 2nd career Foreman?

    93 Foreman had better stamina than the 74 Foreman, he would have beat Liston on points, just on the jab, and physical strength, and size alone:deal..

    74 Foreman would have KO'D Liston in the middle rounds, Foreman had all the advantages, size , strength, power, and Foreman would have been the intimidator not Sonny..

    How the hell can you believe Liston would have beat Foreman, at any period when Foreman faced much tougher competition:huh..

    George was much BIGGER, STRONGER AND MORE POWERFUL, AND FACED MUCH BETTER MEN...
     
  9. Surf-Bat

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    Sonny Liston, despite a shattered nose, walked through the titanic punches of Cleveland Williams and knocked him out in a slugfest.