Foreman vs Walcott

As soon as Foreman right uppercut lands?

Louis and Marciano landed everything but the kitchen sink on Walcott before stoping him late.

This is not a guy who is going to get taken out by a single uppercut early in the fight and probably not a guy who is going to get hit flush by an uppercut early in the fight.

It is no good Foreman trying to stop Walcott late like Louis and Marciano did because he just wont be thee to do it.

His only chance of winning this is that he catches Walcott on the ropes around say the 8th round and finishes what he started with Ali.

Whether this happens or not is anybodys guess.

 

Marciano vs Walcott II

I have never thought of Walcott as particularly durable (not saying he wasn't tough), just a very clever and crafty boxer who is hard to hit. I don't think there's any question that if Foreman starts landing solidly, Walcott will go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2KRcH1N-xY
Foreman beats down Chuvalo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OEDQ4C_fY
Foreman vs Norton

 

The trouble with Marciano Walcott II is that we dont really know what happened.

Was Walcott a shell after the previous fight?

Did he lie down?

Did he quit?

Did he mistime the count?

Was he simply caught cold?

All of the above habve been suggested.

I think that Walcott was prety durable though I agree that if Foreman catches him on the ropes aqnd lands a lot he can take him out.

I dont see that happening early in the fight and I think Foreman is in a race against the clock to catch Walcott before he runs out of gas.

 

1. Louis was well past it, Foreman throws far more than that Louis and hence lands more, he also hit harder

2. It doesn't matter Louis was past it and pasted him when he was past it and actually prepared

3. Foreman had Ali out on his feet 4-5 times according to Ali himself, if that was Walcott in there he doesn't survive. Why are you using Young as an example and not say Norton or Moorer?

4. Louis was nothing like the fighter that ripped through the division 10years prior to this and he wasn't prepared. He still KTFO out of Walcott when he actually prepared properly though. Ali was past prime against Foreman but they are completely different and Louis doesn't have 1/2 of Ali's ring smarts. A 34yo Ali beats any version of Walcott too.

5. Hoff was a sub par opponent, I've pasted plenty of big men myself it doesn't mean I stand F All chance against Foreman

6. Foreman has a great beard, Ali hardly KTFO out of Foreman it was more an exhaustion KO and a load of accumulation, Foreman wouldn't go down from a single Walcott shot

Bottom line Walcott would fight Foreman similarly to the way Ali did, but Walcott doesn't have the same durability of Ali, the same strength, speed, focus. I doubt Walcott himself would have thought he could beat Foreman in the 70s. Archie Moore himself regarded Foreman incredibly highly at the time comparing him to Louis, these great fighters recognised what a once in a life time fighting machine Foreman was. Moore gave Ali no chance and if Ali's chin didn't prove so good he would have been right. I doubt that Moore who was similar to Walcott gave himself a chance against Ali either

 

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exactly

 

no I did not say to do that...look at the peralta fights, even the 2nd one (look at them...Look at Foreman vs styles that troubled him Ali and Young..Ali nor Young could punch like Walcott (far off) and Joe was pretty cagey and had great feet...his style is all wrong for Foreman...dont just look at Lyle and Norton and say they had muscles....Walcott hit harder and was more percise with his punchers than any one them and fast and more direct.

 

Bummydavis.

you said, Earnie Shavers was the same HEIGHT as Walcott and he KO'd Norton in 1.

Shavers was 210-220 pounds.

FIRST OFF Norton was shot to bits.

SECOND Earnie Shavers might be the hardest single punch fighter of all time.

Walcott got iced in 1 round in the Marciano rematch. Also iced by a Louis who lost 4 years of his career in WWII (THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO ALI'S EXILE IN THE 1967-1970). FOREMAN at whatever age was never iced by anyone except the great Muhammad Ali after getting exhausted.

FACE IT! Walcott CAN be overpowered and put away when hurt (IT'S BEEN PROVEN). Yes he took alot of punches from Marciano in fight 1, but could he take those shots from FOREMAN?

That left hook that dropped Rocky would not drop George. Foreman had a better chin than Rock, he just didn't have the better stamina.

 

Just repeating what i said. Rocky did not have a better chin than Foreman.

Rocky was dropped in round 1 in two fights by two men who were under 200 pounds.

George was dropped by a 6'3" 217 pound Ali, a 220's Lyle and a 210 pound Jimmy Young in round 12 exhausted.

 

George got KO'd once by the great Muhammad Ali.

He was not exhausted vs Lyle until after he got dropped the first time but George WON.

Walcott lost 18 times in just 72 bouts. Compare his win loss record to the late great Sugar Ray Robinson.

Several of those defeats came in his prime v Louis x 2 and Charles x 2 before winning the title at 37. Walcott looked past his prime in the rematch with Charles after winning the Heavyweight World Championship. It was a lackluste boring dec 15 by Jersey Joe. HE LOOKED OLD.

JOE WAS NOT PRIME AT 38 V MARCIANO. But still was able to outbox Rocky because Rock has rudimentry skills. Rocky was crude, the Jack Dempsey who fought Willard in 1919 had more skills than Marciano in 1952 v old Walcott (who can dispute this based on the footage of Jack's ability v Jess Willard? Yeah it's Willard, but could Jersey Joe do the same to Willard?).

Jersey was KO'd on six occasions and downed numerous times, including by Ezzard Charles, who was 35 pounds lighter than a prime Foreman. Bigger hitters than himself tended to get the better of him.

Jersey even lost to smaller men than himself like Skip Allen, Maxim and Elmer Ray. He won his World title on his fifth try.

HE was past it v Rock lets face it, Rocky made him look better because Rocky cannot match skill with Jersey Joe, he can't match speed with Jersey Joe. He can't match the craftiness with Jersey Joe or expierience, you can't buy it.

Joe was a ATG. Winning the title at 37 puts him in history. But a 38 year old Walcott that fought Rocky ain't beating Foreman. No version of walcott beats Foreman.

People bring up Peralta but George WON. Jersey Joe lost to Maxim who would never beat George or the guys that beat George in his 81 fight career.

HE AIN'T BEATING GEORGE! Would Allen, Maxim or Ray beat Foreman? Could Ali or Young beat Walcott? YES.

 

Throwing 3 times as more means you land a hell of allot more, if you think it hasn't you can't have boxed.

Since when is Foreman an unaccurate puncher? Look at how inaccurate he was against Frazier and Norton atsch Louis is highly accurate but not the past it version Walcott faced, Prime Foreman pulls the trigger faster than that ancient version of Louis

Walcott can't stand in the middle of the ring and set traps and miss because he will be bulled to the ropes, Foreman would push Jersey round like a rag doll. Foreman can keep him backed up with his jab and he can't get near enough to land, too much reach/height and workrate

 

Private Joker,

I tend to believe Walcotts prime was 1947-1952. Walcotts 3 best performances came in the years 1947 1951 and 1952. You talk about Charles IV fight, but they already faced one another THREE times in the past 2 years, obviousely they know eachothers styles well enough now that the fight is going to be boring. Walcott still won the fight, he displayed a more aggresive style that won him the fight, I dont see how you can argue this fight showed he was past his prime when he A. WON and B. was able to do something(outpoint him) against charles he hadnt been succesful in in 2 other tries.


Walcott looked fabulous in Charles III which was just one short year prior to Marciano I, another fight he looked great in

If you were to ask me when walcotts absolute best was, I would say 1947 as his speed and movement were at there peaks here. But I still thought he looked near prime form in 1951-1952.