The 70s had these gimmicks. Ali with Inoki and all that crap. Some of Ali's defenses were almost as bad. Ali versus a 19-year old Dokes exhibition is embarrassing. Foreman's problem is he tried imitating Ali, and went in for these gimmicks.
i was not born at this time but would love to see the footage to judge it for myself, is there any way to view it?
"A disgraceful episode in boxing history",what fighting 5 men in an exhibition? I find it funny that Cosell says "little Terry Daniels is no match for Foreman",who was 12 lbs above his best weight,yet 3 years earlier Daniels fought Frazier for the title.NOW THAT WAS A DISGRACEFUL EPISODE IN BOXING HISTORY!That and defending against Ron Stander whose own Wife said it was "like entering a VW in the Indiannapolis 500"
"I could never rank him highly after that scene" Yet the fact that Frazier after 10months rest from beating Ali , defends against Terry Daniels and Ron Stander,both unranked doesnt bother you? And dont say Frazier was entitled to an easy one or two,four moths after the FOTC Ali took on Jimmy Ellis the number three contender,spot the difference?
Ali completed screwed up young Foreman's head in Zaire which had as much to do with his defeat in Zaire as the two's boxing skills. The brain-fried Foreman began what was, in effect, his second career with the Toronto side-show (a joke to begin with but what was Ali even doing there disrupting everything?) It continued with a less than stellar effort against Lyle (a pre-Ali George would have put Ron to sleep inside of two IMO) and against Young (again the new, fried, lethargic George was on display). Also in my opinion, Ali basically ended Frazier's career in TFOTC. Look at Joe's record post Ali-1: 5-4 Daniels (journeyman) Stander (tomato can) Foreman Bugner (the underachieving cigar-store Indian actually stunned Joe) Ali 2 Quarry 2 (Jerry was shot) Ellis (see Quarry 2) Ali 3 Foreman 2. But Joe and George are two atg HOF's for sure. Interesting that Ali took them both down a big notch with his fists (Frazier) and his head (Foreman)
Was Jerry Quarry really "shot" in 1974 when he fought Frazier ? In 1973 Quarry had registered wins over Lyle and Shavers. What happened to make him "shot" when he faced Frazier ?
"What happened to make him shot when he faced Frazier" Easy answer. Frazier's fists. RIP, Jerry. You were a great one.
I pretty much agree with your assessment. Frazier was never the same fighter after the FOTC. Of course, I think it fair to say Joe returned the favor in Manila. Ali definitely got into Foreman's head big time. That scene in Toronto with George jumping around like he did in the ring, with Ali egging him on, was absolutely the most BIZARRE scene I've ever seen in boxing.
Fitz did it Dempsey did it ,plus he kod a wrestler,Galento wrestled an Octopus,Chuvalo took on a series of stiffs one night ,Lamar Clark kod 5 nobodies out in the sticks Ali engaged in that debacle with Inoki ,Wepner with Andre the Giant ,yet when Foreman takes on 5 men its a disgraceful exhibition.Bull ****.Some one has a rather obvious agenda here.