Foreman's comments on Ali's power...

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Who were the five hardest punchers you ever faced?

    Foreman: Oh, my goodness. I'd have to say, in reverse order:

    5. Muhammad Ali. He was deceptive. People say he wasn't a puncher, but he'd get you to come toward him, and he'd catch you with that quick right hand.

    4. Jack O'Halloran. It was 1970, in my 15th fight. He'd beaten Manuel Ramos in California, and I fought him in Madison Square Garden. He wobbled me. [Note: Foreman stopped O'Halloran in five rounds.]

    3. Sonny Liston. I sparred with him and he was the only guy who ever made me box. I was scared of him!

    2. Gerry Cooney. He was one of those guys who, when they hit you, it didn't hurt, but then you saw your body start doing funny things. [Foreman KO'd Cooney in two round in 1990.]

    1. Ron Lyle. I have never been hit like that! It should have been illegal for someone to get in the ring and punch somebody like that. That should have been rated X. [Foreman stopped Lyle in five rounds in 1976 in one of the greatest brawls in heavyweight history; both men were on the canvas in the fourth round.]
     
  2. Sizzle

    Sizzle Active Member Full Member

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    Interestingly no Holyfield, Briggs, Moorer?

    Not noteworthy big hitters I know, but some might claim they punched harder than Ali.

    Obviously Foremans opinion is not the be-all end-all though, but a valid indicator certainly. I would certainly have expected Liston to top that list.
     
  3. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    He only sparred Liston though, and it was a very old Liston wasn't it?

    I'm surpised Frazier wasn't there, though Joe didn't have much time to make an impression.
     
  4. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Active Member Full Member

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    Actually, if you watch Foreman vs Frazier again, you'll see Joe lands over a dozen left hooks in those 12 rounds. That's enough fire power to knock out 3 or 4 average heavyweights. Of course, Foreman's granite chin made it look like nothing and we barely notice what Frazier landed on Foreman because we're too captivated by what Foreman landed on Frazier.

    Yep, if Foreman was a teenager (say 18) then this must have been 1967 - Liston would have been ~39 and while trying to teach the kid a lesson - he probably didn't try his hardest as he would against say Cleveland Williams.
     
  5. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Active Member Full Member

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    Yep, I believe this assessment. Ali's power was MOST EFFECTIVELY used in that fight. 100% efficiency. He planted his feet and caught Foreman so fast that Foreman couldn't see the punches coming and they landed so cleanly square on the chin. If Ali was able to generate 6.5 power - he used all of it in that fight whereas in his other fights (esp pre-exile) he didn't utilize his full power.
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. O'Halloran makes the list, but Joe Frazier and Holfyfield do not?
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Foreman did comment on Holyfield's great left hook to the body several times when he was commentating other fights for HBO after his fight with Evander.
     
  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jack O' Halloran played the mute Kryptonian in Superman II.
     
  9. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought the one with Richard Pryor in it was the best in the series by far.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Damn, i don't have an exact date for this list

    :fire
     
  11. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Foreman Got Rocked By Ohalloran But Big George Also Avoided Many Guys Who Could Punch,quarry,bonavena,shavers And Others. I Think Big George Would Have Beaten Most Of Them But He May Have Been Tested, The Young George Was Very Protected
     
  12. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I liked Foreman's comment about Ali drawing him in. It's not how hard the punch is thrown, it's how hard the punch is landed.
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JT, what matters to me is that whenever George offered the opinions you shared, it was after he was hit by Cooney. Thank you very much for sharing this fascinating information. As he was on the receiving end of the hardest punches Ali ever delivered, that number five rating is especially interesting and revealing. Much appreciated!
     
  14. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And as Leroy Caldwell said Lyle hit about the same as Foreman, George got a taste of what it was like to be on the receiving end of his own shots.
     
  15. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    Street lights have zero punching power, but many get knocked out walking into them.