Forget resume, who is your top 3 p4p based off skill now right.

hes fighting above his weight and he stopped the guy who dropped him. his skill is obvious when you watch him execute what he does. ggg aside, he has looked better than canelo against similar opposition. canelos opposition has been better known, but not much better.
this is all relatively speaking of course, the man only has a dozen fights.

 

1) Lomachenko
2) Usyk
3) Pacquiao
4) Inoue

 

Lomachenko is highly skilled, but he's not the technician or all around fighter that Canelo is. The competition has not been similar. Canelo has faced far more difficult competition than Lomachenko has. Yes he's had several close fights, but that's what happens when you fight high level guys that have stylistic advantages over you.

Also I've seen some posters bring up the Mayweather fight to argue that Canelo isn't highly ranked P4P. That was over 5 years ago, P4P is all about what kind of a fighter you are now. It's not about your overall resume or what happened earlier in your career. It's who you are today, what kind of skills you have, etc. If you are going to use that fight against Canelo, then you have to factor in Lomachanko losing to Salido. That's not really what P4P is about though. And right now Lomachanko is coming off a fight where he hit the canvas and suffered an injury that he needed surgery for. Canelo just beat the former MW King Gennady Golovkin and he did so in impressive fashion.

Lomachenko is definitely in the conversation, he's an incredible talent, but he's just not as battle tested as Canelo and he hasn't shown the ability to make adjustments in many of these battles that Canelo has. Canelo has been my P4P #1 for a while now, even before he fought GGG, and nothing that has happened in the two GGG fights have changed my view of that. Right behind Canelo I would put Mikey Garcia as a close 2nd, then you have guys like Lomachenko, Crawford, Spence, Thurman (if he ever returns) jockeying for that 3rd spot.

 

Neither had Oliver McCall did tgat make him the best at heavyweight or P4P?

 

1. Lomachenko
2. Usyk
3. Crawford

 

Neither is Spence.

 

i take everything into account when i look at fighters. i took canelos level of development into account against floyd so i dont count that against his current status, even said he would one day beat ggg before anyone else even considered it. i also took into account lomas development status when he fought salido, as well as the circumstances. imo opinion, and i believe its an educated one, is that loma is p4p better fighter than canelo is, at this stage. but, canelo has more room to improve now. loma has reached his skill level and physical peak, now hes just learning strategy at the top pro level. canelo has net yet peaked skillwise or physically.

 

Hahaha lol

 

Loma, crawford, usyk, spence

 

Understood, and I don't think there's anything wrong with having Lomachenko #1. He's a joy to watch, but I do think you're right that he's still learning strategy, whereas with Canelo you can see him making adjustments, and through the guidance of Eddy, he's shown the ability to develop a strategy for specific fighters. Like with Lomachenko, he pretty much fights the same style every fight regardless of his opponent. It's very effective don't get me wrong, but he hasn't really had to tailor a gameplan for a specific fighter. (vs Linares he knew he had to be wary of the reach, but nothing to the extent as what Canelo has done) When you look at what Canelo did in his first fight with GGG, vs what he did in the 2nd fight, or even to an extent vs Lara where he needed to the aggressor, Canelo has shown he can fight in a variety of styles and can be effective with that. There aren't too many fighters who can do that. Even Mikey Garcia as great as he is, it's pretty much the same basic style every time.

I think when it comes to P4P and rating a fighter's skill level, being able to win vs top level competition in a variety of styles / strategies should get you bonus points. There aren't too many fighters out there throughout history who can be as effective fighting off the backfoot as they are coming forward. Most fighters just know how to do one or the other well. Canelo is constantly surprising the fans too which is a breath of fresh air. I mean you go back to the first GGG fight, nobody even rated him as having good footwork, then people were shocked at how well he moved in that fight. Canelo also has shown ability to fight off the ropes effectively without getting hit (see rounds 4&5 in GGG 1, or Round 10 vs Mayweather). This is high level stuff to be able to literally rope a dope high level opponents. These are skills and strategies that we haven't seen from a Lomachenko or really anyone else. Canelo is the most complete high level fighter out there imo and he can punch. Then you have the upper body movement which can make you miss, he made GGG look silly at times. Lomachenko has made people look silly too though, his footwork is one a whole nother level for sure. But Lomachenko doesn't have the dynamic power punching of Canelo. All of these guys have an argument to be P4P #1, but to me Canelo is just the most complete and most battle tested out of any of these fighters and until somebody can beat him, it's hard for me to put anyone else above him in the skills department.

 

of course not, all things being equal though, getting caught and knocked down in your last fight matters if we're talking P4P.

 

like i said, loma has a dozen fights, and has looked levels above, for the most part. i have analyzed why and when he has looked mortal. he came out of high school with honors and got a doctorates in a year... hes gonna struggle with a couple tests. hes operating at a slight higher level right now, i think bud and mikey are the only other 2 operating in that zone.

 

what's your problem ?

 

Usyk is slearly more skilled than Canelo