Martinez vs. Salido II and Jack vs. Groves - who are you picking in these ones? Rocky will be favored to retain, and St. George to obtain - but I don't know. I heavily favored Salido the first time and if you subtract the knockdowns and point deductions it was a razor's edge. He was fresh off defeating Lomachenko (followed by a triumph in a grueling war against the underrated Terdsak Jandaeng, which may have taken a heavier toll on him than believed and had some impact on his punch resistance versus Martinez) while Martinez was was a fight removed from being fed to Mikey Garcia. Maybe last time was a fluke, a bad night for Salido and great one for Martinez. Or, conversely, maybe the Puerto Rican just has the Mexican's numero. As for Badou Jack - he rebounded from the Edwards shock admirably. Escalera and Sierra aren't great coups, both fairly average fighters, but they're both dangerous considering his recently having been chinned, and he dominated them both. Then he popped the cherry of Dirrell, whom most expected to walk through Jack. His rise to become champ was a sicker punch to most fans (99% of whom quickly wrote him off as joke fodder after Edwards) so it would be foolish to overlook him in his 1st defense - ESPECIALLY given how poor Groves has looked In the wake of the Froch rivalry. He was given too much trouble by Rebrasse and Douglin to say he's a lock to steal Jack's green belt. Also worth noting: they have have a common opponent in Francisco Sierra and netted the same result (TKO6) but Groves struggled a bit more with him.
...oh, and what's the deal with Vanes Martirosyan vs. Ishe Smith, anyway? Not part of the PPV? Honestly we have seen worse fights included on many a PPV card in recent years...hell, even as co-features. The winner springboards into possibly another chance at some version of a slice of the 154lb pie. Despite the (unfair) reputation of Smith and the fact that Martirosyan has been in a couple of stinkers as well (ie Lara) my gut feeling is this one could actually be pretty good. Both will throw a high volume and should be hungry to keep their grasp on relevance. It probably is best if they leave it off the PPV (even though equal or worse fights have been featured on many PPV cards in recent years like I said; this is an opportunity to cull the worthy from the not quite) but it deserves better than going totally un-televised. Maybe on Showtime or Sho Xterm before the PPV? Too important to be a dark match.
I think George out boxes Jack honestly. He has the IQ after 2 Froch fights and Degale to snatch this outta Badou's hands. Jack has a chance if he says focused but Groves has it by a large margin in my book. Groves by UD If Salido comes in with the same IDGAF attitude and fights like it's his last fight in life he can win. Rocky has time on his side and Salido is another good fighter fighting beyond his prime. Martinez by UD or TKO. Vanes by knockout. Nothing else there, Ishe is a lucky bum. Ishe Smith is the home run definition of Club Fighter. He has loss to so many good fighters that him and Darnell Boone should be in the HOF just for padding great fighters records.
Rocky beats Salido again. Salido cant seem to stay on his feet for more than a couple of rounds these days. Vanes has too much for Smith. I think Groves stops Jack
Martinez has lots of wear & tear on him, too. He also should have about half as many losses as Salido, given all the gifts he got (incl. three in a row comprising the entirety of his 2nd WBO 130lb title reign, getting undeserved nods over Beltran Jr., Burgos, and Magdaleno) As for Martirosyan vs. Smith, not such a sure thing. Many have managed to outbox Vanes (Lara, Andrade, Charlo) or give him problems with sheer work rate (Kassim Ouma, for instance, who is every bit as feather-fisted as Smith, but managed to drop Martirosyan...or Willie Nelson, against whom Martirosyan went life & death). He also has only scored two stoppages of his last eight opponents going back four years, and if you really break it down has never stopped anyone on even the fringe contender tier in spite of his puncher's reputation from the amateurs (plus the way he fights). Smith, meanwhile, is teak-tough, never stopped in 34 bouts, and has outpointed the likes of Davis Estrada, Randall Bailey, Cecil McCalla, Anthony Bonsante, Alfonso Gomez, Pawel Wolak, and K9 Bundrage - honestly better than Martirosyan's seven best victories (Nelson, Greene, Ouma, Lowry, Tsurkan, Medina, Gutierrez ...and Martirosyan's eighth-best is Davis, a common opponent with Smith, both netting the exact same result of TKO2) - plus he was robbed against Sergio Mora and Fernando Guerrero. If you give him the official verdict in both of those, his resume blows Martirosyan's away.
Great undercard, honestly. Better than the super-hyped undercard to Mayweather vs. Maidana I. I expect Vanes to beat Ishe with a comfortable decision but to not quite "dominate." Groves should stop Jack and even if he doesn't, I suspect he will rightfully win a decision. I've always felt Salido was overrated start to finish and called their first fight as 50/50, but I will outright pick Martinez to win the rematch.
I've been meaning to do a thread on this, but I didn't want get attacked by the Mayweather bashers. Its a great undercard, I don't care about the main event in the least, but Groves Vs. Jack is damn good, Groves by nasty Francisco Sierra like KO, and Salido gets his revenge without the shoddy point taking and scoring Salido did enough to get a draw or close win in the first.
Salido vs Martinez II will be fun again, but I figured Martinez takes it mostly due to being the fresher fighter of the two. Groves vs Jack, I favor Groves, but a Jack upset wouldn't be particularly surprising. Smith vs Vanes is a 50/50 and could unfortunately end up being a terrible fight. Vanes is "aggressive" but passively so as he waits too much, Smith is overly defensive though he counters well when he lets the hands go. Ishe doesn't crack hard enough likely to get Vanes in trouble and Vanes probably won't be able to crack Ishe's defense easily in return. It has the makings of a stinker. I guess I favor Vanes by decision due to his aggression.
It would appear Jhonny Gonzalez will fight Jonathan Oquendo on the undercard too, according to the scene
Wow, further playing the PR vs. Mexico angle. Very clever. This will do better (in terms of gate & buys) than people expect, and for once it'll be the undercard that sells it.
I think it was Dan Rafael who wrote that Martiroysan-Smith was going to be televised on Showtime at 7pmbefore the ppv card starts at 8pm. I agree that this is a better fight than a lot of the usual ppv undercards matches. Its not a fight I'm overly excited about but its a match up between two top 10-15 guys and would be a solid ppv opener if it would have been put in that slot.