Former WBO World HW Champ and Olympic gold medalist loses to a complete bum in MMA

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by boxingcar, Jul 12, 2008.


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  1. Boinko

    Boinko Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "friendly" confines?:lol:

    But, yes I agree. I was merely answering the poster who said that any rational person realized Mercer had no chance.
    So, I shall let him and you decide whether those who picked Mercer were rational or not.
     
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  2. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not angry...i'm just vulgar. I'm typing each of my words calmly
     
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  3. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Sarcasm is a wonderful tool sometimes...aint it???

    :lol:
     
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  4. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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  5. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you kidding with the boxing fans excuse??... you cant honestly say Mercer is young can you lol???... HES PRETTY OLD!!... and even still at that age I would have chosen him over Kimbo if it was under boxing rules lol...
    Are you trying to defend mma or something? because I enjoy mma too but mma and boxing are totally different... im not saying one is better than the other... but mma differes quite a bit in the rules...honestly
     
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  6. blood_lust

    blood_lust Active Member Full Member

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    Of course he's a grappler at heart, however he's been a professional fighter for nearly 10 years and I guarantee he was training in boxing during those 10 years as you have to if you want to compete in MMA....That fact alone discredits the grappler issue...

    But do you honestly believe a guy who is 0-1 has more boxing experience (gym or real) that pro MMA fighter like Ricco Rodriguez??? If you do, then you don't know **** about either boxing or MMA.

    Not to mention that he was good enough of a striker in MMA to stop Couture, Arlovski, and Monson (all top fighters), but not good enough to beat an 0-1 prizefigher with very little experience...

    THAT is the point, not the whole boxing is better or MMA is better crap...but reality is that MMA strikers like Liddell, Silva, Shogun, Griffin, etc...are nowhere near the level of a top-20 boxer, let alone top-10 in each respective weight classes in term of striking that is...
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  7. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well , of course Mercer is old you twat. And i don't give a **** what the guy would've done to Kimbo under boxing rules. that's not the mother ****ing point is it ?

    MMA and boxing are totally different huh ? no **** sherlock ! looks like you have been paying attention!
     
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  8. blood_lust

    blood_lust Active Member Full Member

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    Those that picked Mercer were drinking the kool aid...Kimbo is hype. He got owned against that Gannon cat way back when and was getting owned by Thompson (and the ref should have stopped in the second when he was getting pounded on), too, but got that BS stoppage/save by the ref...

    Mercer was done...beyond done actually
     
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  9. blood_lust

    blood_lust Active Member Full Member

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    Your point was trying to validate MMA in some way by bringing up the Kimbo - Mercer fight to compare to the thread about Ricco Rodriguez losing to a complete bum, but the two don't mix...

    Now if you had a prime boxer (who was a former champ like RR) fight an 0-1 MMA fighter and lose, then you would have an argument, but you don't.

    Look at Jeremy Williams, a decent HW contender, past his prime and he's 5-0 in MMA with very little training.
     
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  10. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Because this is a BOXING site. We like the SWEET SCIENCE here, not that boring roll-around-on-the floor for five minutes crap. :barf
     
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  11. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nishijima, former Cruiserweight champ, not "too old"
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    Current top 20 Heavyweight Matt Skelton
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    Gets KO'd with punches, in a kickboxing match.
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    Art Jimmerson, top 15 Cruiserweight at the time of this fight against a 175lb Royce Gracie, embarassingly bad, quit out of fear.
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  12. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    THAT is not the point. You're a hypocrite. That's the real point.

    It doesn't....He was concidered primerly as a grappler in his own sport. Not a ****ing multi-dimensional fighter of the likes of Yamamoto , St Pierre , Penn , Anderson etc....

    Ricco's career in his own ****ing sport was over years ago. He had weight problems , drug addiction problems...You're a hypocrite that's what you are. You'll find any excuses to take a big dump on this sport. You'll go even as low as to mention a boxing fight in which a fat ass "has been" grappler lost (against a nobody...)...

    Yes. There's fighters who've been training strking for less than a year (in mma) who are already way superior then ricco could ever dream of in the striking department. You have no argument. Just your hate for the sport. Kimbo was no mma fighter...no boxer...no grapller.. and in a matter of weeks , he learned a few basics...and the rest was history...Mercer was finished...easy.

    But that's not the point...The real point is that you're a hypocrite. and that both fights are irrelevant. yet , you boxing fans always find an opportunity to **** on this sport.

    Your argument fails here too...I could say the very same **** about Mercer almost beating Lennox , beating tommy morrisson... "but not good enough to beat a 0-0 bum from the internet with very little experience". Cause yeah...Mercer was kimbo's first mma fight too.

    What you don't ****ing understand is that both fights don't mean ****.

    Worst of all...The names you have mentioned..Monson (pure grappler)...Arlovski (sambo artist)... have you even seen the fcking fight or are you just reading his fighting resume ? in mma TKO isn't always the same as a TKO in boxing...there's TKOs on the ground too...****ing hell , why bother ?


    do i give a **** ?...

    "but in reality is that boxers like Wlad Klitshcko , Brewster , Thompson , Sultan , Povetkin etc...are nowhere near the level of a top 100 Abu Dhabi competitor"...

    do we give a **** ?....You're stating the obvious.
     
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  13. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Who would win? Yoel Judah vs Roger Mayweather if the fight took place in the 80s. Kickboxing rules? Boxing rules?
     
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  14. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    so then you admit that you feel threatened by it ?...Or do you just hate it to the point where you can't ****ing help talking **** about it even in boxing forums ?...don't you guys even have the balls to post your nonsense in the mma section of the forums ?...since you're talking about it , might as well share your negative opinions in the mma forum no ?...But apparently not.
     
    boxingcar, Jul 12, 2008
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  15. blood_lust

    blood_lust Active Member Full Member

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    We are referring to "real" world champions, not minor belt holders... More importantly, Melvin Manhoef isn't an 0-1 MMA bum, he's an elite World Champion Kickboxer with a record of 20-4-1 in MMA when he fought Nishijiima...

    As for Skelton...again losing a straight up kickboxing match is different than an MMA fight, as kickboxers are strikers, much like boxers...Additionally, Skelton was not a top-20 Boxer in 2001 when the MMA and kickboxing matches took place...

    He hadn't even gone into pro boxing yet, so this holds no weight either.

    On to Nishijiima, he wasn't a major title holder, was retired from pro boxing for 3 years (making him far from prime and he lost his last boxing match to a nobody by TKO2) when he stepped in the cage...Additionally he fought legit MMA fighters, not 0-1 fighters...

    So this isn't the same as a former UFC HW Champ like RR losing to a boxer that was 0-1.
     
    blood_lust, Jul 12, 2008
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