FOTC Frazier v Tokyo Douglas?

Pokémon Douglas. :bbb

 

Carl Douglas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUkGIsKvn0

 

I already told you. On the night of Tokyo.. Not 8 months earlier or 8 months later. On this night and this night alone James " Buster Tokyo" Douglas would have beaten every so called ATG with one arm tied behind his back and a kung fu bandana blind fold.

 

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Pure Douglas

 

There are more aspects that determine the winner of a fight than size. Tokyo Douglas was focused and motivated that night while Tyson clearly was not. He grossly underestimated Buster and paid dearly for it. Just like Holyfield was focused and motivated against Buster while Buster was there for a payday and nothing more. The mind plays as big a role as the does the body. A prime focused and hungry Frazier would be a completely different animal than the undertrained, overconfident and full of himself Tyson was that night in Tokyo against Douglas. We shouldn't use that Tyson as a barometer as to how Douglas would fare against Frazier. Tyson was as bad as Douglas was good that night. Like Boxing 125 asked, if height and reach are all that matter then how did Douglas lose his next fight,(in an embarrassing fashion) against a cruiserweight?

 

Well it happens all the time in other sports. Guy has the day of his life, goes nuts. Pat Seery hit 4 home runs in one game something that has happened 16 times in 120 years now. Of the other 16 5 of them are hall of famers and 9 of the others were high level guys. But seery put on weight and was relegated to the minor leagues shortly thereafter. Sound familiar?

 

Mr. Magoo you are making me laugh. I appreciate your wit.

How many times did Frazier lose to less than an A fighter? I've seen Muhammad Ali and George Foreman, and sorry folks, but Buster Douglas is no Ali or Foreman. Not ever.

Buster Douglas got stopped by David Bey (who Holmes and Biggs stopped), drew with Steffan Tangstad (who Michael Spinks stopped), got stopped by Mike White (who had five losses to nobodies coming in, and would lose his next fight to Adilson Rodrigues), won majority decisions over 13-13 Dave Johnson and Randall Tex Cobb, lost a decision to Jesse Ferguson (who Tyson stopped in 6 rounds), beat Greg Page, won a decision over Jaco (who Tyson stopped in 1), got stopped by Tony Tucker (who Tyson decisioned), won a decision over Berbick when Trevor was 34 years old and had lost to Carl Williams already (Tyson stopped a younger better version in 2), and beat a young McCall (who already had lost to Mike Hunter and two fights after the Douglas fight would lose to Orlin Norris).

So suddenly Douglas becomes some great fighter just for one night when he never did it before or since? After beating Tyson he gets KO'd in 3 by Holyfield, a guy who actually trained, one of Holy's fastest KOs. All Holy had to do was show up in shape and he did what any in-shape elite fighter would or should do with such a guy - dispose of him.

I say the Tyson who showed up that night would have lost to a lot of guys he had beaten previously, including Tony Tucker, Michael Spinks, Tyrell Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs, Carl Williams, Bonecrusher Smith, Frank Bruno. Those guys would have had that type of performance against a dead man walking too. All Tyson showed in that fight was that he can take a beating and throw a single decent punch here and there even when totally out of it. That is just a testament to his talent - that even looking and fighting like total ****, he could still take hundreds of solid blows and still almost win by KO. He looked like **** from the opening bell. And the fact that Douglas still almost took the count against a dead man only further supports what he really is and always was.

And you think Joe Frazier is going to lose to a guy like that? Hell no f-ing way. Joe Frazier would have been on him with nonstop blows and pressure and constant bobbing as he attacked and just brutalized and annihilated him.

 

I find it amusing actually.

 

I completely agree with this part.

Now I think you are reaching. Spinks, Tubbs, Williams, or Tubbs would be meat vs. the Tokyo Tyson. Buuno, and Thomas would have a real shot to win.

Douglas had the right style to bother Tyson. He was a big man with a jab, and some power, who on that night was sharp and had the will to win. Stamina was not an issue for Douglas either that night.

Frazier could not have success they way Douglas did. Not in a million years. Tyson vs. Frazier would be a firefight, and Tyson still hit harder, and had the better chin ( not to be confused with the better mental fortitude ). I do agree that Frazier would clean up on many who Tyson fought or Douglas lost too, but as they say styles makes fights and punchers can end them quickly.

I actually think Bruno was the first man to expose Tyson, as he had him hurt / rocked / and visibly stunned! Had Bruno followed up with more confidence or landed something serious during that window of time, the upset might have happened earlier.

 

Tokyo Tyson wasn't much worse than any previous version of Tyson.
Tokyo Douglas was not much better than Douglas of 1986-'89.

The main thing that happened is that Douglas fought smart and aggressively.
Douglas got the upper hand early on and Tyson had no plan B.

 

Well maybe that goes to show how overrated Tyson was, he was in good condition for that fight, no excuses needed. Maybe just maybe he was beaten by a fighter that had his number?