FOTC Joe Frazier vs. George Foreman (of Sunshine Showdown)

Yes they are proving something!
Photos are real evidence which proves who is taller!It would prove who is taller and on every picture even at weighin Bonavena is clearly taller than Frazier!
It is not weak argument like Holmes was taller than Foreman even if wiki said they are same height!

 

Photos prove something!Not only in the foght but at weighin Bonavena was clearly taller!
Wasn't Satterfield listed as 6ft3 and Cleveland was too but Celevalnd looks atleast 2-3 inches taller than Satterfield also in their pre fight pictures standing together?
Also on wiki Holmes and Foreman are same height but in reality Holmes is taller!
Bonavena was taller than Frazier he was 6ft and Frazier was 5ft10 1/2!

 

Frazier was great but he did not have the fast snappy right hand lead that Ali threw and landed constantly vs Foreman

Foreman partially blocked most of Frazier's left hooks leaving Joe without any meaningful offense.

I can't see the outcome being different.

 

We've seen this fight in real life.

Foreman by brutal ko.

 

I'm gonna say this purely as a Joe Frazier fanboy. Guilty as charged but being competitive I have a scenario Frazier's hand will be raised.
If they took the same fight strategy from the rematch (hindsight) and had Joe use those tactics as his prime, leaner, quicker, more focused and version FOTC.
Looking at fight 2. Joe was slipping and sliding from Foreman's punches well enough in ringcenter. George was throwing alot of leather but Joe kept landing counters that had the crowd going nuts. Foreman was winning the rounds but about 3 of them were close with Frazier answering Foreman's Thunder with crisp jabs and solid lefthooks that pissed Foreman off even more.
Problem was Frazier was a shot fighter in 1976 and he was going to the ropes to rest his legs every round. That was where Foreman had most of is success.
My Frazier NutHugger scenario is Joe does the same pthing but a little better. Eventually he knocks Big George Foreman out in round 7-10. His hooks from FOTC Frazier would have more effect on a tiring Foreman.
After then fight George Foreman makes a ton of excuse and takes his happy ass back to Texas.

 

Frazier was 5-11 1/2

 

Still yet to see you ever post anything remotely interesting or unbias.

Having been a lurker for many years I can tell you that you are one of the main reasons for the forums decline. Have a nice day

 

He was more then likely shorter then that. Foreman said he was no bigger then 5”9 and on film he def looks shorter. That being said I don’t think height matters All that much if you know how to use it. Frazier used his height to his advantage always coming in low bobbing and weaving. That also being said Frazier probably always loses to Foreman. Foreman punched down w great affect

 

No offense, but looking at the short time you've been here and relatively few posts, how would you know anything about this forum's decline? You haven't posted enough to have a basis of comparison.

Swag is a really good member here.

 

The irony. All you've ever done since coming here is dickride Marciano, proclaim he beats every man who ever lived and attack posters who have the slightest objection to your opinion.
In a thread asking how Marciano would do against modern heavyweights your response was

Your top three at heavyweight

When asked how he would do against Liston, Foreman, and Tyson.

And you have the audacity to call me biased? Talk about having your cake and eating it to!

You are by far the biggest Marciano arselicker this forum has ever seen, and that says A LOT.

Don't hurt my feelings now. You're an insignificant ****wit who has never posted anything even resembling a contribution. You're the biggest joke on these forums (either you or Serbian) so that comment coming from the likes of yourself is a compliment.

 

You ****in' saw what happened.

 

Photos might prove something if both were stood next to each other on a level surface with the same postures ie straight legs and back. Photos such as those you posted where they are bending at the knee and waist at different distances from the camera don't prove anything whatsoever. Absolutely zip.

Did you really need that explaining to you? Twice?

If you have a photo of the weigh in where both are standing on the same level, straight up, equidistant from the camera, you might be onto something. Unless you have, though, you're probably best keeping your photos and your exclamation marks to yourself because you're not coming across too well as it currently stands.

 

That's not what he meant, I think. There are some knowlegeable boxing people whom consider Joe's performance in the FOTC to not only be his greatest, but one of the greatest in sports history, period. Though Joe was absolutely no joke in the fights he had after, the only time he came near that level of fierce determination and steadfast Will was in the Thrilla (and it's obvious he was past his prime in that fight, as great as he was).

The Joe Frazier of the FOTC actually got hit with less punches (at least cleanly) than many people think, he was defensively not far from prime Iron Mike in that area. His look of doggedness is something you almost never see in today's all-for-the-bucks boxing world. In fact, I've never seen someone with so much obvious hate and resentment as Joe in that fight in all the boxing matches I've watched (though Iron Mike's look after he bit Holy was close...but he lost lol).

I do believe THAT night Frazier would have gotten knocked down and bounced back up...only to knock a tiring Foreman from ring post to ring post in five or six rounds. That's keeping in mind Joe would have to despise Foreman as much as Ali....something that, although the two were FAR from friends during their actual fight, there wasn't any long, deep-running animosity there.

Again, this is an unpopular opinion, but I'm sticking to it. Every time I watch the FOTC I see the greatest heavyweight that ever lived. However, I do have Joe beneath guys like Ali, Foreman, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes, and Holyfield because he wasn't able to sustain that level of amazingness (though he had impressive wins and fights after).

 

Joe Frazier reguardless of his immaculate performance against Ali happened against Ali because Ali wasn't a puncher like Foreman was. The uppercuts Joe shrugged off from Ali, lifted him off his feet against Foreman. It's the biggest flaw in his bobbing and ducking defense. George had the power on his uppercut to punish it.

 

Thank you Rules! As are you! Easily one of my favorites here!