FOTC Joe Frazier vs. George Foreman (of Sunshine Showdown)

Excellent post.

 

I'm not here to do anyone any favours.

They did meet prime for prime. Frazier was the unbeaten champion of the world and was a huge favourite.

Frazier was given two bites at Georges cherry and couldn't survive either time.

Frazier looked sensation against Ali because he was facing Ali. He looked like a bouncing ball against Foreman because he was facing Foreman.

 

Frazier was certainly not prime for Foreman (though he was not the washed up paraplegic others like to make him out to be to suit their narrative). He had taken a terrible beating against Ali, and was hospitalized for a worrying length of time, and had taken a year off. When he came back he defended against two soft-touches (despicable imo) and looked less than stellar and all of this was noted PRIOR to him meeting Foreman. That being said, even a prime Frazier probably wouldn't have fared well against Foreman but let's not act like he was 100 percent merely because he was undefeated and a huge favorite. Using this logic, Ali must've been prime for Leon and Holmes for Michael. Boxing simply doesn't work like that.

 

Frazier was not past it for Foreman. He was up against someone who was able to dominate him.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Here's a thought, FOTC Frazier is Joe Frazier.

The guy Foreman knocked out to win the world championship was Joe Frazier.

As I said, the fight has happened.

 

“Joe has bad headaches but he’ll be alright. But not the same! No, not the same!" -Florence Frazier after FOTC

“I, for one, think that Joe didn’t look at all like that indestructible machine…my conclusion: Frazier has lost interest in the sport of flat noses…Well, Joe Frazier is a Pro. He has made a lot of money. He is ready to retire. Anytime. And now is anytime…He proved to be the best man of his time…Joe Frazier became the most important athlete that night of March 8, 1971 when he displaced Muhammad Ali as number one." Jose Torres after Frazier's defense against Stander or Daniels (I forgot which one it was).

"Muhammad Ali had a big hand in the demise of the world heavyweight champion. Without taking, one iota of credit, away from Foreman's electrifying and sensational piece of work, Frazier was not the human howitzer who beat Ali on March, 8, 1971. It was generally agreed by those of us who saw that fight in New York that Frazier took a terrible head beating in slugging his way to a fifteen round decision. And from his sluggish showing Monday night, it was apparent he had never recovered."

""i just didn't realize i beat Joe Frazier that bad. I knew I defeated Joe Frazier but now the people see how bad I did beat him. When he fought two nobodys I knew he was done. Joe made a big mistake in his false illusion of being great. He didn't have no action, only eight rounds in two years." - Muhammad Ali

Right in this article here https://news.google.com/newspapers?...b9QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4V8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6176,2571228 prior to the Foreman fight, the caption itself says (or asks) "Frazier washed up?" And says his two recent bouts prior to facing Foreman "suggested to some people that the champion might be slipping a bit"

Obviously I could bring up a lot more evidence but I feel that this is overkill already. Even so, the OP specifically states FOTC Frazier fights Jamaica Foreman which did NOT happen as you stated.

 

This isn't rocket science at all Jesus Christ! It's not that hard to comprehend.

 

OK, let's use a substitute analysis and change up the variables. '66 Ali vs Berbick.
Bahama Ali is Muhammad Ali.
The guy Berbick decisioned is Muhammad Ali.
Therfore Berbick always beats Ali.

Is this your logic? Or are you just trolling?

 

Of course its not overkill, things like this get debated and will be debated for time immortal.

The Frazier who lost to Foreman was no worse than the Frazier who beat Ali.

FOTC Frazier is Joe Frazier. Joe Frazier fought George Foreman. We have probably all watched it.

But to make it explicitly clear for you. The version of Frazier that Ali faced, specifically, gets bounced off the canvas like a bouncing ball against George Foreman.

 

Start that thread if you want and we'll debate it there.

This is about Frazier vs Foreman.