FOTC Joe Frazier vs the best Tyson Fury

I think Fury at his best would be much harder to hit than Ali was in that fight. I think Frazier would find Fury extremely frustrating. And if Frazier does eventually manage to close the distance more (and it's not obvious to me that he would), Fury would just hold and tie him up as much as necessary.

 

What makes you think Fury has the STRENGTH to tie Joe up on the inside?
Hell if it was just a case of tying Joe up onthe inside why didnt anyone do it?

 

Mathis was a mover, with far better skills and technique, same with Ellis, Same with Ali in the FOTC. (Of course Ali wasn't the mover he was prior to 1968, but even then his balance,coordination and speed was still better than most heavyweight champs including Fury.) . Ali became stationary because of the punishment he received from Frazier's hooks to his hips and sides, plus Frazier was able to cut the ring off effectively . Unlike Wilder who probably can't spell "Cut the ring off". If honestly you feel Fury's speed is comparable to Ali, even Ali of 1971 well, you are certainly welcome to your opinion. But I'm sure your of the extreme minority, and we really don't have anything to debate about if that's your opinion.

 

No, I overstated things. Ali was definitely faster. But Fury doesn't need to be just as fast as him to cover as much ground and to get his punches off while avoiding Frazier's attacks. That's the benefit of being an agile 6'9 fighter with an 85-inch reach--if you understand distance control and know how to fight on the move, you're going to be harder to hit than even some of the fastest smaller opponents.

And again, I don't think Mathis moved nearly as well or exploited his (lesser) size advantage as effectively as Fury.

 

I am a big Frazier guy and that is partly why I have not weighed in with a prediction.

I do agree that Fury would be very difficult for Joe to land on continuously as some speculate. But one of the things I enjoy about Fury is even with the size advantage (or disadvantage lol) he does not seem to clinch like Ali or Wlad even though it could benefit him in some occasions. I was expecting him to utilize this to further frustrate wilder, yet there were very few clinches. Do you see him utilizing this more than I have or do you think he would use this in this specific scenario to stifle one of Joes few advantages in this fight?

 

Good points and good breakdown

 

I was wrong about this matchup,,,, no way does Fury see the 14th round against Joe Frazier. Joe by 10th round TKO AFTER ADMINISTERING A BRTUAL BEATING

 

Close 50-50 fight imo. I'll take Frazier on Pedigree and little bias if I'm honest but I think his activity rate pushes Tyson back and hammers his body, Tyson to me was never as elusive as FoTC Ali was, he was just bigger. And with a near foot height advantage starts to become somewhat a disadvantage when you have to punch so far down against an ever moving target. But also having a foot height advantage is a clear advantage for a boxer like Fury.

Whilst Tyson himself will be landing some decent punches on Joe coming in. I expect Joe to take a shell shacking here but he'd keep coming and grind Fury's liver out like a bottle of Gin.

 

Fury would have a VERY tough time landing consistently on Frazier. Joes head movement was excellent and Fury is no where as quick as Ali. Joe would see every punch coming. In his prime Frazier had a whip fast hook. When that punch lands and it will very early Fury will be out on his feet or down in the canvas. Frazier takes complete control by round five. Fury is out on his feet in round seven and the bout is stopped.

 

Frazier by TKO.

 

Yeah I'm leaning more and more to Frazier on this and I respect Fury even in light of his off night with Wallin (which is what I think it was even though Wallin could be better than we think).

You need top notch power to trouble Frazier otherwise you're in for a bloody hard night. As great as Ali was, he was tortured by Frazier (and with a less lenient referee fight 2 would've been as arduous as FOTC and the Thrilla in my view) and he had to dig into the deepest reserves of his vast reservoir of ability, durability and adaptability to endure Frazier.

Fury is a talent and his size is always an advantage but he's a moderate puncher at best and hittable (certainly not a defensive master as some would have you believe). Frazier would have nothing to fear power wise and he'd keep working hard over 15 and Fury would need all his smarts and tricks to survive this.

I'm not sure it's enough to get a win for Fury considering his and Joe's respective work rates are night and day.

 

Frazier would eat that big overrated bum for Lunch! LOL!

 

Just a tough stylistic matchup for Fury.
He’d have a better chance against Foreman.

 

IMO, Frazier would have fallen to more than just George.

I wouldn't fancy his chances against the best versions of Lewis or Vitali. Nor Louis.

And while I would make him slight favourite over Marciano, Holmes, Tyson , Deontay and Wlad, I wouldn't bet any money against any of them.

Fury ?

Hard to say....Frazier was greater and much better. It would be interesting to see how he would deal with that size difference. I think FOTC Frazier takes it, though.

 

I think Fury is one of the heavyweights who do much worse against smaller and quicker opposition than the giants we see today, and who he frequently faces of against, since that's basically the entire division today.

Most heavies today nearly always have reliance on size, muscle etc in their boxing. Good against others, not good against Fury as he both outweighs / outsized them and has increased mobility to boot. Because of this, they can't exploit any openings, clumsiness from Fury etc.

Meanwhile, the shorter, bobbing mechnial machine Frazier has the speed, skill and grit to consjstly out speed Fury, and repeatedly catch him with the left hook (a punch Fury is open too, from a squatter, quicker opponent). I believe Frazier would actually make Fury look quite slow and cumbersome.

Frazier TKO.