FOTY Anti-Freedom Edition

Davila was born in Texas and raised in Pomona.

 

You want an English lesson? It would be my pleasure. :good


"So they still bungle this one even with Americans excluded, eh?"

Shall we deconstruct this question?

They (Ring Magazine) still bungle (screw up, get it wrong) this one (the FOTY list) even with Americans excluded (as in O's Exile's original post - with specific reference made, via narrowed-down quoting, to Gatti vs. Ruelas)

I am clearly acknowledging in my reply that Gatti vs. Ruelas is a battle of non-Americans. Where you got the impression that I thought Gatti should be considered American or needed convincing otherwise is a complete mystery if you were to have understood that much. I am stating that EVEN WITH all the extant American entries on the real list excluded (which O's Exile went to all the bother of trimming out for us to leave blanks for us to fill in for the corresponding years) they still got it wrong. That is to say, eliminating the fights that involved American combatants didn't in and of itself eliminate all the wild misfires on the Ring FOTY list. As in, Gatti vs. Ruelas is a glaring example of those misfires. Neither is American, but that was nowhere even close to being the FOTY in that year.

 

I think your OP was absolutely fine, not lacking in clarity in the least, nor was my initial reply.

Foxy just has some weird comprehension issues. :yep

 

Oh Foxy...

Still awaiting your apology...or at least your explanation of how on earth you thought I mistook Gatti for American based on my pretty straightforward comment.

 

Ahem.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?p=17025206#post17025206

(just before you go throwing your weight & credibility behind DC's cause...)

 

You wrote.

Neither is American, but that was nowhere even close to being the FOTY in that year.

So you obviously disagree with this, and believe it to be a " bungle "


Then came his defense against former world champion Gabriel Ruelas, which was also named "Fight of the Year" by Ring Magazine.

As opposed to this.

His title defense, at Madison Square Garden against Dominican Wilson Rodriguez was the first of three Gatti fights in a row to be named a candidate for "Fight of the Year" by Ring Magazine.

For which you believe you deserve an apology?

Dream on.

If I were you I wouldn't set my sights on becoming an English teacher any time soon.:yep

 

The original post you quoted was about Gatti vs. Ruelas, you realize that, right? :blood What are you even mentioning Gatti vs. Rodriguez for? I never did. Nobody did.

Your confusion stemmed from apparently believing I thought Gatti was American, with you somehow misreading that in my original statement of "So they still bungle this one even with Americans excluded, eh?".

With me so far?

Gatti vs. Ruelas is on the Ring Mag FOTY even if you prune out every match-up involving Americans.

Gatti (Canadian) vs. Ruelas (Mexican) wasn't really the best fight in 1997, or even close to it. Sirimongkol (Thai) vs. Tatsuyoshi (Japanese) was light years beyond it.

So the original theory O's Exile was playing around with, that redacting every match-up involving Americans from the Ring Mag FOTY list would somehow improve the overall quality of the selections, was flawed, which I was pointing out. Their selection of Gatti vs. Ruelas for the FOTY in '97 was as much a bungle on their part as was any of the other FOTY selections involving Americans that some may feel were less deserving than many lesser known international bouts.

I'm not sure how much clearer this can be made.

 

When push comes to shove all you are saying is that you don't agree that Gatti / Ruelas was FOTY in 97, and you are arrogant enough to call that a bungle on the part of RING.

The problem appears to be solely yours.

 

a) It took you that long to figure that out? Seriously? Even with me saying exactly that, never wavering, in plain English, from the very start?

b) You realize the very thread in which you and I started that conversation was made by someone "arrogant enough" to be 2nd-guessing the Ring Mag several times over by essentially implying they have a pro-American bias and that a more objective FOTY list could perhaps be attained by eliminating & replacing all the match-ups involving Americans. You did get that exactly that was the point of that particular thread, right? Actually, no, from what I've learned of your comprehension abilities, I'd wager no, you didn't get that.

 

Just admit you got it wrong. You misread the post of mine that you originally quoted, and "corrected" me by pointing out that Gatti and Ruelas are both Americans, when nobody (except a complete weirdo...or someone just carelessly skimming) reading that original statement would have absolutely no such weird misconception about me having mistaken their nationalities (I never did, for the record).

All you've done since is backpedal and change your story, and now you're resorting to ad hominem bologna (really? Questioning the almighty Bible of Boxing is now arrogance bordering on sacrilege? Okay... )

You came in spouting off with absolutely no idea what you were quoting or what it meant. Just admit it. :good