Four Boxing Guru's Debate Ali Vs Tyson

I reckon Ali would stop Tyson late. No worries there.

 

Yep.

Add to that a few other huge factors which reduce the Tyson chances. Prefight banter of Ali. Anyone that watched Ali's career always saw him humiliating opponents. For like 8 to 12 weeks. Pretty easy pickings with a squeeky voice and the troubled personal history of Mike Tyson.

Second factor is the crowd was always in Ali's favor. So Tyson is wearing different shoes and he's the guy getting booed and the cheers are for the other guy. And Ali certainly knew how to play crowds and influence judges to win the rounds.

I sure do like Dundee in the corner compared to the multitude of trainers Tyson had. And the fight would likely take place in a remote country and Mike never had to deal with like 105 degrees in Manilla or fighting in a Kuuala Lampur. That changes things and Ali had been through it a bunch of times.

 

Well done. This is probably the best worded explanation I've read about Tyson and his being criminally underrated. In all honesty, if Tyson were to be paired up against any ATG heavyweight I would be very worried if I picked against him.

 

The video is funny.
they don't really have a clue do they.

I agreed with the guy who says Ali would toy with Tyson and possibly make him quit. I think it would take a bit longer than 3 rounds. Probably 7 or 8 rounds. TKO or KO.
Tyson would be bruised and cut to shreds, busted up, eyes closed up.

 

Tyson had a good chin. Ali wasn't a KO artist. The fight is going at least 8 rounds. I think Ali knocks him out late, possibly a UD.

 

I can see Ali having some severe shaky moments, but he has a significant stylistic advantage here. Ali had great chin and reflexes (which helps against Tyson's offense), was strong and often leaned on opponents in clinches (where Tyson stopped working) and is good against opponents working from middle-range rather than all the way inside. On top of that he often took opponents to deep water, then drowned them. Could you think of a better tactic than to outlast Tyson by leaning and conserving energy early? I can't.

TKO around the 11th.

Tyson was a special fighter, and he has a chance against anyone ever, but you'd be mad to favor him, imo.

 

Absolutely agree with this, Ali was the master of psychologial warfare in boxing (except against Smoke & Norton, they didn't seem to let Ali's jibes have a negative effect on their performance). I think he would definitely get to Tyson mentally...this aspect could be a significant component in getting Ali the win.

 

well, the thing is, he never lived up to the expectations.
and a lot of the hype was based on the expectations.
it was generally assumed c.1988 that Tyson would reign for a good 5 or 6 years, or maybe 10 years, and it was assumed that it would take a great fighter to beat him.
so a lot of the hype was based on the excitement of those expectations.
obviously those expectations were based on Tyson's brilliance, but his YOUTH and POTENTIAL was always a big thing. going back since 1986.
but he never became as good as people said he would.


the way i see it, if he was half a good as some people still insist he was, he should have been able to beat Buster Douglas even in an undertrained unfocussed state. at 23 years of age.
i mean, he should have at least been a bit more competitive, or gone the distance.
All the great fighters have off-nights in their prime. Most of them have gone in there in an undertrained or unfocussed, distracted state at some point in their prime years.
i cant think of many who have been dominated and knocked out in such a one-sided fashion by a ordinary fighter like Douglas though

 

Prime Ali vs prime Tyson?...the Ali of the 1960's(his prime)...toys with Tyson mentally...he plays head games with Mike and the fight is over before it starts...

 

XPERT post m8. :thumbsup

Cos Midget Lisp is Mentally-WEAK, Prime Tyson would do way WORSE/LESS competitive then Past-Primer Patterson of 1965, Chuvalo of 1966, 'Enry Cooper of 1966 And Mildenburger of 1966 VS Prime Ali, cos they all compareable short Come-Forward SWARMERS - BUT they WARRIORS not WIMPS. :yep:deal

For teh GREEN versions it teh same concept, 1985 Tyson of Tillis-Vintage does way WORSE then Dougey Jones VS 1963 Cassius Clay, cos of Tinkerbell's LACK of MENTAL TOUGHNESS.


Foreman HooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooK!:hat:rasta:smoke

 

There is no quantitative evidence that Tyson was capable of beating a primed 200lbs+ all-time top twelve heavyweight. There is quantitative evidence that he can lose to these fighters though.

All arguments to Tyson's chances of winning are weakened as they are solely based on qualitative evidence, unlike Ali.

 

Even if Tyson was only at 50% of his best for the Douglas fight, i reckon Ali was at least 200% of Buster Douglas, so he'd have no problem beating a 100% Tyson.

 

XPERT post m8. :deal

Tyson recorrd VS Prime ATG heavys = 0-0

Tyson record VS Past-Primer ATG heavys = 0-3

Tyson record VS SHOT ATG heavys = 1-0

Tyson record VS ATG light-heavys = 1-0

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Ali record VS Prime ATG heavys = 4-2

Ali record VS Past-Primer ATG heavys = 5-0

Ali record VS SHOT ATG heavys = 0-0

Ali record VS ATG light-heavys = 2-0



Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:hat

 

hard one to pick tyson never faced someone with alis speed but make no mistake ali never faced anyone with the combination of speed and power that tyson had either .

 

Hows Aboot 1971 PRIME Smokey Joe?? And that was Ali 4 YEARS PAST-PRIME And he did canny mint.