Frank Bruno Beats Layne,Lastarza,Mathews,C*ckell

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    His record suggests he was an appreciably bigger hitter than Layne.

    Who did Layne ever ko? 180lbs Satterfield who had been stopped 5 times previously all by Lightheavies or super middles like
    Lamotta,and Bob Dunlap176lbs who had been kid twice by light heavy Dave Whitlock.
    Bruno is a little bit sterner opposition I think:lol:
     
  2. Seamus

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    Layne was awarded a hometown victory by the single vote of a homeboy referee against Charles. Otherwise, he was 0-2 (KOby1) against the same, mostly fading Charles.
     
  3. The Mongoose

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    Do your research Magoo. A sick man gets knocked out and is rushed back into the ring just two months later...down 16 pounds..does this sound healthy to you? Yeah, he lost to Jackson just a few months after in a non effort after no training with writers calling for his licence to be stripped. bad
    Management, not bad luck. Bruno would certainly take this version of Layne.


    Sattetfield was erratic, but his power was for real. Best puncher of his era perhaps, so yes, it was surviving Normandy.

    The promise of failing to set himself apart from other erratic contenders.

    So you are saying Layne is incapable of out working a world class fighter? He did that alot.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Many thought Brion was robbed against Layne too.

    James Dawson, New York Times, scored the bout 7-3 for Brion, giving Layne rounds 1, 2 and 8. Associated Press scored the bout 7-3 Layne.
    Dawson wrote:
    “Plunging and tossing like a rudderless ship, Rex Layne, Lewiston, Utah, heavyweight, somehow or other managed to gain a decision over Cesar Brion, from the Argentine, in ten dull rounds of fighting at Madison Square Garden last night. And if there is any consolation in a moral victory, Brion has it. A crowd of 5,768 booed the verdict and it was plain that many, if not the majority, thought Brion had won.”

    Associated Press: “22-year-old Rex from Utah’s sugar beet land failed to live up to the gaudy promise of his Nov. 24 upset over tired old Jersey Joe Walcott.”
     
  5. mcvey

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    Rushed back 2 months later:patsch You are a complete JOKE!
    Did it a lot? Many thought he got a gift against both Charles and Brion .
    CHARLES
    In a blatantly obvious hometown decision, Referee Jack Dempsey scored 2 rounds for Layne, 1 round for Charles with 7 rounds even. Most objective observers felt Charles had won. During the fight Layne butted Charles repeatedly without caution from the referee.
    Legendary cornerman and trainer Ray Arcel said,"Instead of adding dignity to the fight game, Dempsey has added disgrace."

    BRION
    James Dawson, New York Times, scored the bout 7-3 for Brion, giving Layne rounds 1, 2 and 8. Associated Press scored the bout 7-3 Layne.
    Dawson wrote:
    “Plunging and tossing like a rudderless ship, Rex Layne, Lewiston, Utah, heavyweight, somehow or other managed to gain a decision over Cesar Brion, from the Argentine, in ten dull rounds of fighting at Madison Square Garden last night. And if there is any consolation in a moral victory, Brion has it. A crowd of 5,768 booed the verdict and it was plain that many, if not the majority, thought Brion had won.”

    Associated Press: “22-year-old Rex from Utah’s sugar beet land failed to live up to the gaudy promise of his Nov. 24 upset over tired old Jersey Joe Walcott.”



    Layne has just one win over a world class fighter that is undisputed= Walcott.
    You are full of it.:deal
     
  6. mcvey

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    Satterfield's chin was made in Dresden. F*cking Jake Lamotta stopped him.:patsch
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    He got knocked out by Tommy Jackson again in 1955 and only triumphed in 3 of his last 10 fights while still being in his twenties. Bruno in his thirties was winning a title and giving Lennox Lewis fits. What's the excuse this time?

    Or maybe he had the right style to land flush on heavy's who's defense and skills were questionable. At 180 lbs and with a 44% KO average he ain't hittin' as hard as Bruno.

    He DID set himself apart which is why most people commonly rank him higher than those other guys. Corrupt promoting is what prevented him from ever fighting for the title again.

    How many of them had a four inch height and 30 lb weight advantage to go along with world class power and sturdy chin? Not to mention made a career of facing other men who of the similar like?
     
  8. SuzieQ49

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    I think we posted enough info in the other thread to prove Layne Charles II was NOT a robbery

    You forget Charles also beat Layne in 1953. So that would make him 0-3 vs Charles
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    The entire Layne brion fight is on YouTube watch it and score it

    I had Layne winning 6 rounds to 4. He hurt brion with right hands throughout he fight and badly closed Brions. The fight was not a boring match like writers said. It was actually filled with a lot of action

    Watch the fight yourself
     
  10. mcvey

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    Will do Suze:good
     
  11. SuzieQ49

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    You guys make very good arguements for why Bruno beats Layne, but please stop crtitisizing Layne for losses which happened when he was shop worn. Layne, like Benitez and Bowe has an early short prime, and was past his prime by 26 like those guys. The psychological effect of the back to back brutal KO losses to Marciano and Charles, Layne never recovered
     
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    Because Bruno was a carefully moved fighter and Layne had been through hell and was a spent force. He did give a better account in the Jackson rematch, ahead on points before a cut stoppage. Just the way it was. Bruno closed his career better than a lot of guys Because he was so well managed , Layne at the end was matched with every rising contender...it would be like Bruno fighting Byrd, Tua, Moorer, Mercer in a row or maybe even fed to Ike or Vitali.

    He was hitting better And more effective than Bruno, all that matters. He put top 5 215 lb men to sleep with one punch.

    Can we really say Spoon was better than Thomas?


    Bonecrusher lost to the swarming Marcia Frazier who wasn't that bigger than Layne. Big but slow and survior minded.
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    Two fights with Tyson, Witherspoon, Bonecrusher, Lewis and McCall isn't exactly what I'd call taking it easy. A better way to put would be that Frank was so good at dispatching his victims early that they never had a chance to inflict much damage on him.. A testimony of his power.


    and I'd pick Layne to go 0-6 against all those guys so what's your point?

    Could he take a shot from a man who was a better hitter than all of them?

    Yes by simply comparing the quality of their win list combined with their longevity and effectiveness in old age. Tim lost to Thomas. But losing one head to fight doesn't necessarily make a man better when sizing them up to the rest of the field. If this were true then Iran Barkley outranks hearns.


    And marvis suffered both a knockdown and a broken jaw in that fight.. How does any of this help Layne to beat Bruno?