Frank Bruno: Tyson beats Lewis 7 days a week!

No one said it was a long prime, though it was longer than what you're saying. I didn't see any qualifiers for how long the prime had to exist. It was more like 3 years.

If you don't understand what made Mike great, what contributed to his downfall, etc, you won't understand the general chronological parameters of his prime. That's ok, but those of us who do comprehend these things will sometimes chime in to correct the errors.

I'm also going to assume you aren't very familiar with Michael Spinks, or a 35-0 Tony Tucker as regards people Mike beat during this time. I could do this all night, but I think the people reading the posts get the point.

If you want to believe Lennox could defeat Prime Tyson, ok. But making arguments based on faulty information or perceptions, like Mike beat no one great during his prime run or he was prime for Holyfield, doesn't help you state your case. I know exactly what I'm talking about here. You might not agree with my conclusion, but there aren't gaping holes in my knowledge or perceptions. That's the position you want to be in when you argue a position.

 

And the facts are Lennox was a champion from 1992 -2003 dominating his division and finished by beating the next big thing comming up in Vitali

Where as Tyson was HW champion from 87-90 and shortly in 96, was trully beaten by two men when still in his 20's and never anvenged these losses and finished his career with humiliating deafets by Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.


Prime 4 Prime , Lewis has Tysons number, although i would always give Tyson a punchers chance. But look what happened when he fought a fighter who had a decent jab (Douglas) and think what Lewis would have done with his.

I see the same result as Lennox v Tua

 

you don't have a clue about what your talking about, spinks a lhw, i know he moved up in weight but ****ing come on. Tony tucker was a good win but he certianyl aint a great fighter. You go on about a tyson lewis ko that doesn't really fit in well with tyson not knocking out most of the decent bigger fighters he fought.
If you seriosuly think mike beat any great heavyweights during his title era you need to take a good look back at it.

 

I think Tyson beats Lewis more often than the other way around, purely based on both fighters' potential ! The problem with Tyson is that after the Spinks fight, he litterally stoped training seriously and anyone that ever competed at high levels in sports, know its impossible to stay on top if the commitment isn't there anymore, even for the most talented people !!

But for me...at the best of their abilities, a motivated; seriously trained and most importantly well surrounded (team) Tyson, beats Lewis 4 times outta 5 !!! NO DOUBT !

 

You're done. As soon as you said Tyson was prime for Holyfield, you disqualified yourself from this discussion.

That someone could actually try to assert Tyson was in his prime nearly 7 years after he lost to Douglas is laughable. Again, know more about the subject before you make general pronouncements. Other people who don't know what's being discussed might let you off the hook, but people who understand the history will consider your credibility compromised.

 

coming from a guy that thinks tyson beat some great heavyweights in his prime :rofl:rofl

 

It's been fun. There's no point going back and forth with you. I hope you have a chance to watch more fight footage and read up on boxing's history.

 

your a clown i obviously know alot more about boxing and tyson from your pathetic posts. Do you even know what a great fighter is :nut, tony tucker and such are good fighters not great :rofl

 

You know sh*t. I just don't have time for you. If I wanted to humiliate you, it would be easy. I just don't care. You're nothing, and nobody and not worth my time. That's about it.

Anyone who says that Tyson's prime was 1 year and he beat no great fighters during that time simply doesn't possess enough knowledge for me to take seriously. And, I'm not one to argue with fools. When you do so, the audience can become confused about who's the clown. You are, that's clear, so I'll just gently step aside and allow you to further that perception which appears to be hard-earned.

It's like this: You're a PT boat and I'm a destroyer. Stay in the lagoons and leave the oceans to the big boys, ok? Good.

 

try me you seem to just chat **** and post nothing, i was obviously joking when i said tysons prime was a year atsch, name any great fighters he beat though i was joking about that and don't come back with lhw's.
You might be the worst poster i have ever seen :rofl:rofl

 

Well Lewis lost to Mcall in 94 but was still able to fight at the top for another 9 years.

Why is it that Tyson gets off so lightly on here ??? any other fighter who was washed up by the time he was 25/26 would be totally ridicluled on here.

 

So Tyson was past his prime at 24? Douglas' jab is superior to Lennox's? Prime tyson was a beast, until he got a dent put in him, by a very capable Douglas. But Douglas can't hold a glve to Lewis. A prime Lewis would have battered him from pillar to post at any stage of his career. Lewis was always up for the big fights, and had the power to push Tyson back.

 

I dont see it. I think he'd have been competitive for like more than 1 one round as he was when he did actually face LL...but was he past his peak when he faced Ruddock the 2nd time? Or Tony Tucker?...or Douglas? Or Holyfield? I think Tyson is an ATG but once that bubble of invincibilty was burst we saw a really vulnerable fighter who'd lost that aura and hype that he once enjoyed. Holyfield having that warriors heart and belief showed what a good fighter he was and that Tyson once not getting his own way was like a school yard bully.

 

I disagree. Bruno himself probably had more success against Lewis, but that doesn't mean Tyson was a better fighter h2h. Bruno had one good spell against Tyson in their first fight, but he was much pretty much petrified of Iron Mike and received savage beatings. Bruno was very good against Lewis for most of their fight, and then was broken down and stopped later. So I can see why he would believe Tyson to be the superior fighter h2h - though I have learned through the propaganda, spin and outright lies of people like the Calzaghes never to trust what anyone involved in boxing ever says publicly, because there's always another agenda than genuine opinion/telling the honest truth. Bruno probably resents Lewis for becoming the triumphant British hero that he tried and failed to be (Lewis's dubious British-ness probably adds to this chagrin), and so he is doubly reluctant to give Lewis any plaudits.

However, this is not to say that I have a firm belief that Lennox would beat a peak Tyson. I do not think Lewis would beat Tyson 7 days a week, and I do not think Tyson would beat Lewis 7 days a week either.

Who would win between them really is a difficult question IMO. Really difficult.

I think they are two of the top five heavyweights ever h2h.

I think peak Lewis was the Lewis of the year 2000. The guy who blitzed Michael Grant in 2 rounds, dispatched Frans Botha in the same time, and almost shut out peak David Tua. Lewis was in a vintage year here, he was exuding confidence and experience having asserted his superiority over Evander Holyfield the previous year, and showed stunning power v Grant and Botha, and good defence, skills and chin v Tua. Of course, Lewis got complacent the next year and paid the price v Rahman, but the Lewis of the Tua fight was not complacent at all as he knew he was facing a fearsome puncher. For me, this was peak Lewis.

I think peak Tyson was the Tyson of 1987-88. Tyson's most impressive all-round performance for me was against Pinklon Thomas in May '87. Tyson did not fight like a wild wreckless animal against Thomas, he showed poise, skill and defence, yet still produced a devastating finish against a very good heavyweight. The next year we saw more of his raw brutality side as Tyson obliterated Holmes, Tubbs and Spinks. Like Lewis though, pride came before a fall as the Douglas fight was not far off, but for me this was prime Mike.

So who would win between these two?

The 35-year-old Lewis, undisputed champion, 6'5" and 235-250lbs

vs

The 22-year-old Tyson, undisputed champion, 5'10" and 215-220lbs.


Tyson had the power to KO Lewis, but I think Lewis had the power to KO Tyson. Both guys have better chins than they are often credited with, but both had bombs in their gloves. I don't think the fight would go the distance. I think Tyson would want the fight at close-range, and the minute Lewis had his first taste of Mike's speed and power when infighting, Lennox would know he had to try and bomb Mike out of there. I don't mean this in an insulting way, but I think Tyson's early ferocity would scare Lewis, and Lewis would ditch the plan to outbox Tyson in the way he did Tua because Mike's speed was making this too risky and painful. I can see Lewis on the back foot trying to lash Mike to the floor, moving backwards to open up angles and then trying to fire shots at Tyson's head before Mike can get inside.

The crux of the matter is whether Lewis would be accurate enough to catch Mike, or whether Mike's head movement would be good enough to get around Lewis's punches and up close enough to cause damage.

I can easily envisage both scenarios playing out, I think if these two guys fought 10 times the score would definitely be something like 6-4 and not (as Frank suggested) a whitewash for either man.

However, if pushed, I think Lewis would win more often than he would lose. Peak Lewis was 35 and had years of experience behind him. Peak Tyson had never fought anyone as big or as skilled or as powerful as Lewis. The biggest man he had fought as a world champion was Tony Tubbs (238lbs and 6'3"), and Lennox was considerably bigger and better.

As I said, if they fought 10 times I could see Mike winning 4 by stoppage, but I think Lewis would win 6 by stoppage, and if pushed to give the most common result, I'd go with Lewis by knockout in round 5.

JMO :good

 

boxer: Mike Tyson
Global ID 474
sex male
birth date 1966-06-30
division heavyweight
nationality United States
alias Iron
residence Catskill, New York, United States
birth place Brooklyn, NY, USA
birth name Michael Gerard Tyson
stance orthodox
height 5′ 10″ / 178cm
reach 71“ / 180cm
US ID NV011956
won 50 (KO 44) + lost 6 (KO 5) + drawn 0 = 58
rounds boxed 217 : KO% 75.86
biography





bouts
Lb St Kg date print

date Lb opponent Lb W-L-D last 6 location
2005-06-11 233 Kevin McBride 271 32-4-1
MCI Center, Washington, District of Columbia, United States L TKO 6 10
~ time: 3:00 | referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Steve Rados 57-55 | judge: Tammye Jenkins 57-55 | judge: Paul Artisst 55-57 ~

2004-07-30 233 Danny Williams 265 31-3-0
Freedom Hall State Fairground, Louisville, Kentucky, United States L KO 4 10
~ time: 2:51 | referee: Dennis Alfred | judge: Dan McLellan | judge: Johnny Monson | judge: Steve Ryan ~

2003-02-22 225¾ Clifford Etienne 222¾ 24-1-1
The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United States W KO 1 10
~ time: 0:49 | referee: Bill Clancy ~

2002-06-08 234 Lennox Lewis 249¼ 39-2-1
The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United States L KO 8 12
~ time: 2:25 | referee: Eddie Cotton | judge: Alfred Buqwana | judge: Anek Hongtongkam | judge: Bob Logist ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ IBO heavyweight title ~

2001-10-13 239¾ Brian Nielsen 259¾ 62-1-0
Parken, Copenhagen, Denmark W RTD 7 10
~ referee: Steve Smoger | judge: Marty Denkin | judge: Erkki Meronen | judge: Daniel Van de Wiele ~

2000-10-20 222 Andrew Golota 240 36-4-0
The Palace, Auburn Hills, Michigan, United States NC NC 3 10
~ referee: Frank Garza | judge: Brad Wright | judge: Bernard Teachout | judge: Rosemary Grable ~
Golota down in 1st. Michigan Commission changes the result from a TKO after 2 for Tyson to an NC, due to Tyson testing positive for marijuana after the fight.

2000-06-24 225 Lou Savarese 241¼ 39-3-0
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom W TKO 1 10x3
~ time: 0:38 | referee: John Coyle ~

2000-01-29 223½ Julius Francis 244½ 21-7-0
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W TKO 2 10x3
~ time: 1:03 | referee: Roy Francis ~
Francis down twice in the 1st and three times in the 2nd.

1999-10-23 223 Orlin Norris 218 50-5-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States NC NC 1 10
~ time: 3:00 | referee: Richard Steele ~

1999-01-16 223 Francois Botha 233¾ 39-1-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 5 10
~ time: 2:59 | referee: Richard Steele ~

1997-06-28 218 Evander Holyfield 218 33-3-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L DQ 3 12
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Jerry Roth 26-29 | judge: Chuck Giampa 26-29 | judge: Duane Ford 26-29 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
Tyson disqualified for twice biting Holyfield's ears, claiming he was retaliating to headbutting by Holyfield.

1996-11-09 222 Evander Holyfield 215 32-3-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L TKO 11 12
~ referee: Mitch Halpern | judge: Dalby Shirley 92-96 | judge: Frederico Vollmer 93-100 | judge: Jerry Roth 92-96 ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

1996-09-07 219 Bruce Seldon 229 33-3-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 12
~ time: 1:49 | referee: Richard Steele | judge: Chuck Giampa | judge: Bill Graham | judge: Dave Moretti ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~

1996-03-16 220 Frank Bruno 247 40-4-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 3 12
~ time: 0:50 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Larry O'Connell 20-17 | judge: Anek Hongtongkam 20-17 | judge: Jerry Roth 20-17 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~

1995-12-16 219 Buster Mathis Jr. 224 20-0-0
Core States Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W KO 3 12
~ time: 2:32 | referee: Frank Cappuccino ~

1995-08-19 220 Peter McNeeley 224 36-1-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W DQ 1 10
~ time: 1:29 | referee: Mills Lane ~

1991-06-28 216 Donovan Ruddock 238 24-2-1
Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 12 12
~ referee: Mills Lane | judge: Chuck Giampa 113-109 | judge: Art Lurie 114-108 | judge: Dalby Shirley 114-108 ~

1991-03-18 217 Donovan Ruddock 228 24-1-1
Mirage Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 7 12
~ time: 2:22 | referee: Richard Steele | 59-53 | 59-53 | 59-53 ~

1990-12-08 217¾ Alex Stewart 218 26-1-0
Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 1 10
~ time: 2:27 | referee: Frank Cappuccino ~

1990-06-16 217 Henry Tillman 215 20-4-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 1 10
~ time: 2:47 | referee: Richard Steele ~

1990-02-11 220½ James Buster Douglas 231½ 29-4-1
Tokyo Dome, Tokyo, Japan L KO 10 12
~ referee: Octavio Meyran | judge: Larry Rozadilla 82-88 | judge: Ken Morita 87-86 | judge: Masakazu Uchida 86-86 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

1989-07-21 219¼ Carl Williams 218 22-2-0
Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 1 12
~ time: 1:33 | referee: Randy Neumann | judge: Richard F. Murry | judge: Chuck Giampa | judge: Rocky Castellani ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~