Frank Bruno vs the following Louis foes

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    What do you mean
     
  2. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    Many ran from Louis, didn't work out as well for them. He got up from five knockdowns in the first two rounds of their rematch and went on to fight until round 11.
    Just because Conn knocked him out in round 13 doesn't mean Pastor wasn't durable.
    If he wasn't, any of the numerous punchers he faced should have knocked him out.
    Yet, only Louis could do it in round 11 after flooring him 5 times and Conn in round 13 after an exhausting battle.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Conn was a 174lbs non puncher at heavyweight level.
    • The unofficial AP scorecard had given Conn 8 of the 12 completed rounds.
     
  4. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    The 174 lbs non puncher knocked out most of the heavyweights he fought and shook Joe Louis in the 12th round.
    Thinking that Conn's punches wouldn't hurt after 13 rounds from getting pummeled by him is ridiculous.
    Wouldn't be the first time an otherwise granite chinned fighter was finished after a prolonged beating.
    If we follow your logic to it's conclusion, Pastor wasn't durable because he was finished by Conn therefore Nova, Franklin, Toles and Maurielo would obliterate him, and a prime Joe Louis wouldn't need twenty one rounds to keep the guy down.
    If Conn sparked him in the 5th with one punch you'd have a point. Alas, you don't.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    He stopped half of them ,1 on cuts,take look at most of their records they were journeymen.
    World class fighters can stop bigger, less talented, "sausages".
    Pastor was only 180lbs himself
    Conn scored 15 kos in75 fights for a 23.81%ko percentage.
    Trying to make a case for Conn as a puncher is, to employ your pleasant expression ,ridiculous.
     
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  6. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    Never said Conn was a puncher. You don't have to be a puncher to exhaust your opponent. Did you see Conns work rate in the Louis fight? You think heavyweights can go the full fifteen getting punched in the gut and face with 4 hit combos?
    Conn was really good, end of story.
    Pastor's durability cannot be dismissed because of one round 13 stoppage, it's just one example against multiple others where he took the best punches from the biggest punchers around and kept fighting.
    A fresh Pastor could take a punch from any man, and just like any other durable fighter, his durability went down alongside his stamina.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Thompson had him down 6 times in the 1st round . Pastor ever hit by a 250lbs class heavyweight ?
     
  8. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Nobody from that decade would have gone 10 rounds with Tyson except Louis, Primo would have been stopped in the 1st round by Tyson and had nothing like Tyson`s power or finishing ability.
     
  9. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    I don`t know what your agenda is, it was clear that Primo was a poor fighter, we`ll just have to agree to disagree.
     
  10. janitor

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    Let me explain.

    I am saying "A beat B".

    You are responding with "Yes but C would have beaten B if the fight had ever happened."

    Those things do not repeat not command equal weight in an argument.
     
  11. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    You mean the fight with Thompson in which Pastor got hit with Thompson's best punch multiple times in round 1 but came back to win the fight? And this proves Pastor isn't durable how exactly?
    The 180 lbs Thompson by the way weighed up to 200-210 lbs later on and was knocking out guys like Elmer Ray.
    Lets check the fight: (Boxrec: https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Bob_Pastor_vs._Turkey_Thompson_(1st_meeting))
    "Pastor was knocked down six times in the first round. The first of the knockdowns was started by a left hook. That same left hook led to the 2nd, 3rd, and 6th knockdowns, while he was dropped by right hands on the other two. Pastor came back to win the 2nd round, and the 3rd round convincingly flooring Thompson with a right hand"

    So he was already recovered enough by round two to score a knockdown himself.

    "In the 8th round, Pastor bleeding from his mouth, spit out his mouthguard to breath better. Pastor nailed Thompson with a smashing right hand, that forced Thompson to take a knee for a count of nine. Pastor tore into him with another flurry, driving him into the ropes, where he was sent down for the second time in the round, this time for an eight-count. Pastor tore into Thompson again in the 9th and 10th rounds.

    After the referee raised his hand in victory, Pastor attempted a handstand, but backed off when his arms began to give."

    What a ****ing Badass
     
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  12. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Just forget it I`ve seen Primo fight, this arguement is strange and silly.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    If there is a significant gap between two fighters resumes, it is dangerous to pick the one with the weaker resume, just because they look better on film in your estimation.
     
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  14. Mark Anthony

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    I don`t know what`s going on here,I think you have problems seeing what`s in front of you, you seem to have a soft spot for Primo for some reason.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Thompson never stopped a ranked fighter.
     
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