Frank Trigg on How to Defeat Anderson Silva.

The major problem with Trigg's idea is that there are not any, as far as I have seen, any strikers good enough to compete with Silva and avoid his dangerous clinch. On top of that, most strikers of that caliber do not have Silva's ground game. Silva is a bjj black belt. Going by this logic, someone with a very good wrestling back ground probably has the best chance. After getting on the inside, the fighter would have to win the clinch battle and take Silva down. After getting Silva on the ground, that fighter would need to control Silva and avoid a submission. All of this is much easier said than done, obviously.

Dan Henderson has the best chance at following the above game plan for success, but he has failed once in trying already.

Palhares may be better on the ground than Silva. While Silva's stand-up is light years ahead of Palhares', I don't know that Silva would be as hard to take down a Henderson was for Palhares. If Palhares could get Silva on the ground he may have a chance.

Then there is Cung Le. Cung Le may be the only striker that Silva may have to worry about on his feet. Cung's clinch is also very dangerous to be in as well, because there is a very real threat of being thrown. But what is Cung Le going to do with Silva if he does take him down? Again, Silva is a bjj blackbelt. Would he continually let Silva back on his feet if he is able to take him down? Cung Le defeated what many regard as the first prototypical mixed martial artist when he defeated Frank Shamrock. I feel that Silva is like Shamrock, but on a higher level. Shamrock hurt Cung Le very badly before succumbing at the end of the 3rd round. I don't know that Cung Le is ready for how good Silva's striking is. Especially his punching ability. I also don't believe Silva has a chin as good as Shamrock's, so there is a chance from a stoppage by Le as well.

 

Exactly.

 

Silva would badly outclass Le.

 

Pea, you normally make very good posts in the Classic Forum. If you read the post I made shortly before yours, you'll see that I'm not disagreeing with you. Care to elaborate on your statement though?

 

Sweet Pea doesnt know his mma well , sometime he just get here to say a short sentence and dont come back.
He is maybe good for boxing, but for mma, his knowledge is limited, or he is new to the sport.
I've this opinion of him since his comment on GSP before his bout vs Fitch that GSP is ''too basic'' on his feet. That was one of the most untrue thing said on this forum and I asked him how in the hell he is too basic on his feet but he never came back.

And reknuvests, GSP could hang with Silva on his feet DEFENSIVELY, not trying to beat him standing, but just make himself respected for a couple of moment to bring him down to win a UD(he has the cardio for it) or maybe a TKO later in the 4 or 5. We dont know how SIlva cardio is NOW, in the 4th or 5 th round, because he just kill everybody in the first lol. But if GSP, try to beat him on his feet, he will get TKO like everybody else. But GSP is very intelligent and have always good gameplan. It's just a question, of if he can stay on the ground with Silva. Because taking Silva down for GSP, is gonna be a child play, Silva has one weakness, its his takedown defence.
My opinion is that GSP by UD where he outhustle Silva on the ground in a fight where he dont make stupid mistake on his feet is a possibility. The other possibily is known = Silva by TKO

 

are u on grime forum?

 

I know MMA quite well, I'm just not as interested in it as I used to be.

GSP struck me as basic technically on his feet after his fights with Serra and Penn, at least in the boxing aspect. It seemed that an unorthodox fighter who used upper-body movement and/or unorthodox punching techniques would be able to penetrate his stiff guard. That still hasn't been unproven. He's very good on his feet, just not great.

I'm of the opinion that your MMA knowledge is about as basic as your knowledge of the English language, or if you prefer, GSP's striking.:good

Nah, GSP is a good striker, and fantastic overall fighter, but I don't believe he's a great standup fighter because he rarely gets into standup battles anymore with anyone known to be exceptional on their feet. Very good technically, and he looked better than ever against Fitch, so he appears to be improving his boxing.

 

As for Cung Le. He's a good fighter, but for someone whose standup is so widely acclaimed, his hands are below par. He mostly relies on his legs, with certain punch-kick combos that became trademarks of his in San Shou. A lot of fighters aren't ready for that sort of thing. But against Anderson he's facing a more well-rounded and dangerous striker with a better ground game. So I don't see how he could possibly win, and I really don't understand the comment about Anderson's chin not being on par with Frank's. Anderson has proven nothing but a rock solid jaw throughout his career. Frank has always been overrated IMO, and I don't really understand the comparison between the two at all to be honest.

 

No.

 

Sweet Pea, thanks for tuning in.

Here we agree.

Frank Shamrock can do everything on a decent level as far as mma is concerned. His grappling may not be on the same level as Renzo Gracie, but his submission skills are better than most. Shamrock may not be able to strike as well as Mo Smith, but he sure outclasses Phil Baroni. The point is that Frank is as well rounded as they come. Anderson Silva might just be the best striker in MMA, and he also has a black belt in BJJ. Silva is one of very few fighters that is as well rounded as Frank is. I stated earlier that Silva is like Shamrock on a higher level, so don't try to make it seem like I feel Shamrock is a better fighter than Silva.

That was purely out of personal opinion. I don't think that Frank can take Silva head to head. I do think that Frank Shamrock is physically stronger than Silva. I believe Frank's chin is stronger than Silva's, much like I believe Pernell Whitaker's chin to be better than Meldrick Taylor's. It is not proven. It is just an opinion of mine based on a hunch.

 

I think GSP is the toughest fight out there for Silva. Sure Silva is on paper the bigger man but GSP is huge for 170 and I remember a time when Silva was a 170 pounder years ago. GSP can compete with Silva atleast for a bit standing hes real well wounded and has great movement something Silva doesnt have to face often. No doubt in my mind GSP can take it to the ground hes probablly the best wrestler in MMA regardless of the fact he doesnt have a great amateur background and Silvas weakness may be his takedown defense. Down on the ground GSP is also very well rounded his Jiu-Jitsu has improved drastically and his GNP has as well his ground control and striking display on the mat vs a ground stud like Matt Serra was incredible. Most guys get Silva down and cant do anything with him I believe GSP could.

 

Damn it, I just made and accidentaly deleted a post twice about Silva's wrestling.

I had alot of video to back it up, but essentially it went:

Silva's wrestling is not just not a weakness its damn good, its just that everything else he does is even better, much like Fedor's takedown defense.

Silvas good wrestling comes from working with wrestling specific teams like GSP does, and natural skill in tie ups from Muay Thai.

won the small amount of standup wrestling against Leben, who is good at that.

Silva outwrestled Franklin twice

Used a perfect switch single leg takedown to beat Marquardt, a very good wrestler. http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f292/MaureTTo_2008/?action=view&current=4AndersonSilvavsNathanMarquardt16-0.flv

Stuffed all of Okamis takedowns except one where he pulled guard looking for a guillotine and KO'd him right after [yt]StYulH-yKsk[/yt]

Got taken down by Lutter once because of a flying knee that landed, got up, got taken down again and reversed, then I forget how the third takedown happened, but it immediately turned into a triangle win for Silva
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Threw a flying knee that allowed Marquart to take him down
Had a perfect swtich single leg takedown to beat Marquart, a good wrestler.
http://you.video.sina.com.cn/b/5856468-1153244620.html

Got taken down by a great takedown by Hendo in the first round, no shame in that, but... he
Got the better of the clinch up wrestling in the 2nd round with Hendo, and when Hendo shot Silva kept his hips back and heavy and actually TOOK HENDO DOWN to win the fight. I mean he really did incredibly well in the tie ups in the second round, I was amazed and disappointed at the same time.

Had an amazing bodylock/slide behind suplex/trip straight to mount against Curtis Stout.[yt]-pBuo2lBDUk[/yt]

So basically, Anderson Silva's wrestling isn't just not a weakness, its very good, offensively and defensively. Usually he is only taken down as a result of him being willing to trade a flying knee for a takedown, or when he pulls guard for a submission. The exceptions being Lutter once, maybe twice, or Henderson once, with a perfect takedown. No shame in Hendo taking you down.

Not only that, but his takedowns are very good, and his upright wrestling with tie ups and clinches is some of the best in the game.

Taking Silva down might be the way to beat him, but only if you can sub him very very quickly.

 

As far as Le vs Silva, without disparaging Le I will just say that they are two completely different classes of fighters. You can still be a great fighter without being in Anderson Silva's world.

This doesn't mean much, but they share a common opponent in Tony Fryklund, a tough journeymen who fought one of the best MMA fights ever, but not quite world class.

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Here is Silva [yt]wkMttT0RgQk[/yt]

To me the gap in ability between Le and Fryklund is smaller than the gap between Silva and Le.

Silva is as much better than Le as Le is than Fryklund;

and this was before Silva developed into the superhuman that he has in the past few years. Again, there is no shame in that, its just how it is.