Frank Warren: 'Calzaghe split was the biggest disappointment. Total disloyalty..

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  1. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Calzaghe thing was the biggest disappointment I've ever had," he says, as softly spoken as ever but now leaning forward, eyes shining. "Total disloyalty."The words hang in the air, while I dare to suggest that the now retired champ seems like a bright and decent fellow. "In some ways he is, but he's also small-minded, with a little bit of that green eye. He used to moan years ago that he didn't get the same publicity as Ricky Hatton and Prince Naseem. Well, Ricky went out and promoted himself. He got off his arse, doing after-dinner speaking and all that, though the downside of that was that he became a boozer. And Naz captured a whole generation of young boxing fans. I did deals with TV for Joe on the back of him. I said, 'We've got Naz, we've got [Frank] Bruno, and we've got Calzaghe ... if you want them you've got to take him as well'. That's how we got him going."
    As for Naseem and Hatton, they too eventually divorced themselves from Warren. If he'd bought loyalty every time he lost a fighter, his Hertfordshire mansion would look like Battersea Dogs' Home.
    "Well," he says, "with Ricky I expected it deep down. There wasn't huge closeness there. But I did a good job with him. He'd banked seven million quid even before he beat Kosta Tszyu, so if Kosta had beaten him he'd have been set up. That's my philosophy. Get 'em to the stage where they're OK even if it goes tits up." A heavy sigh. "Calzaghe banked £18m with me, and sure, I made money too. That's the business I'm in. If I don't make money they're not going to make money. On his own he did some stupid deals. The 50-50 deal with [Bernard] Hopkins was ridiculous, and not learning from it, doing another 50-50 with [Roy] Jones..."
    Warren shakes his head at what might have been. "It's like Arsenal signing Arshavin. It all went to the wire because everyone was playing their cards. Whatever sport you're in, you go in to negotiate with your best cards. But Roy Jones couldn't get arrested before the Calzaghe fight. Why give him half the promotion? Crazy."
    I ask him whether he has seen Calzaghe since. "I've had one meeting with him, at a hotel in Paddington. It got very heated. His father never wanted it [the split], you know. He kept sending me texts saying I was the best fella in the world. Of course, I appreciated his position. Blood's thicker than water. But like I said to him, if my kids do something wrong, I'm there for them, I'll love and support them, but I will also tell them that they've done wrong."
    Needless to add, Warren is well aware that one, two or all three of the young boxers he has fighting in Birmingham later this month might, somewhere down the line, do a Calzaghe. For boxing people, there are almost as many occupational hazards outside the ring as there are inside. But while they are with him, they will get the benefit of decades of astute matchmaking in a sport that Warren believes is healthier than ever. "People talk about the good old days but even Wembley back then only held 10,000. We do shows now where we get 20,000, in the O2 Arena or up at the MEN."
    And what about the astute matchmaking? What does he consider to have been his greatest triumphs?
    "Oh, sending Danny Williams over and seeing him knock out [Mike] Tyson, that was a good bit of matchmaking. Calzaghe beating [Jeff] Lacy, Hatton beating Tszyu. The knockout punch is about perfect timing, and so is matchmaking, picking the right guy at the right time. I think I've been good at it. I've managed more British, European and world champions than anyone. But you never know. At the moment I've got Amir Khan fighting [Marco Antonio] Barrera, and I'm hoping I've got it right but I might not have. It's a responsibility, looking after somebody's kid. That's why I like to meet the parents. The other week I met [Tony] Jeffries, the kid from Sunderland. I made him my offer and his dad wanted to take it, but the lad said he'd been offered huge money elsewhere. I said, 'Great, but it's undeliverable.' He said, 'Well, I'm going with it.' Sure enough, the guy couldn't deliver. So Jeffries came back to me and asked for the deal I'd offered. I said, 'I'm sorry, that bus has gone, I've spent the money elsewhere.' And that was that. A great shame, really."
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I must be the biggest Warren critic on the Brit forum, with possibly Scurla and Jeff excepted.

    But leaving Warren and subsquently giving Roy a 50-50 split was crazy in financial terms.

    I bet Roy couldn't believe his luck.
     
  3. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes it does seem like a crazy deal when put like that :blood
     
  4. achillesthegreat

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    "Get 'em to the stage where they're OK even if it goes tits up".
     
  5. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    In other words give them jack **** until they threaten to leave, then feed them a bit more in decent fights, then get them a big fight.....

    Then DLH is on the phone offering them three times what they have ever done before, and they **** off!
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    ...lest we forget, most of these guys wouldn't have made half the money they made with Warren, without him. So yeah...easy defences, etc. sure...but it's a business and that's the bottom line.
     
  7. GazOC

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    Maybe not when you factor in that Calzaghe was splitting 50/50 of everything. Not 60/40 (or whatever) less Warrens take.....

    I'm not saying its a better deal because I don't know the figures but its not as simple as Warren is making out.
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Indeed. 70% of 70% of the pot = 49% of the pot < 50% which Calzaghe got.

    (30% going to Warren from the top and 70/30 split for Calzaghe from the rest)

    ...however...the pot would have been bigger with Warren behind the wheel.;)
     
  9. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I agree mate, how much bigger is the important thing when we're trying to crunch the numbers for this fight though, eh?

    ;O)
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :lol:;):yep
     
  11. Bodysnatcher

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    welcome to the real world mate, it doesnt work like that. i wonder who it was that offered jeffries big money.
     
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    Hobson, I presume. Jeffries signed with him but the deal fell apart.

    Just one point I'd like to make, how is Hatton v Tszyu a great piece of matchmaking from Warren? Hatton demanded the fight and Warren was reluctant to make it or something and he thought Hatton would lose. Now he's claiming credit for making the fight.
     
  15. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think he made Hatton vs Tszyu grudgingly...... half hoping that Ricky would get his ass handed to him.

    That way.... he could play Prof. Hindsight and regain control over his career.