Frank Warren fighters

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Considering Warren is the only promoter in Britain with real financial and promotional clout it goes without saying. That said his safety first approach isn't fan friendly nor is it good for the fighters once they step up into "real" world class.

 

how many fights has rendall munroe had

 

He gets them world title shots when he thinks they're ready. Most of his guys I can think of that have fought for world title got them in the 20's (no of bouts) Hatton was closer to 40 because he'd got him a nice gig as WBU champion, sky was billing him as a world champion at the time then changed their minds on minor titles. Kevin Mitchell only got to an interim title in the 30's (and got flattened) but most of the guys I can think of, Rees, Calzaghe, Khan, Maccaranelli, soon Brook and Cleverly got shots pretty quickly.

 

Some fighters maybe need quite a bit of polishing after they turn pro and for these guys it's understandable if their promoter builds them up to 25-0, 30-0. However, building up does not mean padding their record out against soft opposition. They need learning fights against different styles with the level of opposition slightly increasing each time. That's where Frank went wrong with Mitchell. He'd only had two 'proper' fight - the Johanneson won and the Prescott one. That clearly wasn't enough preparation for Katsidis.

What I feel UK promoters don't do enough is get our prospects, potential champions in with decent opposition. I'm not talking Mexican roadsweepers but when a fighter is Brit and/or Euro champion and looking to make the step up to world level, the transition needs to be gradual. That means putting the fighters in with gatekeeper types from America, Mexico etc. Mitchell for example could have faced the likes of Jesus Chavez and Fernando Angulo before taking on someone like Katsidis.

Brook needs fights against people like Soto Karass, Alfonso Gomez and David Estrada first. Then he can think about world titles.

 

Agree. Its like I said, some of these Olympians have fought against better caliber opponents in the amateurs, in these international competitions, they aren't going to learn much by blasting a guy who does not deserves to be in the ring with them.

I would say there are a lot of top amateurs that are capable of beating journeyman pro's with experience.
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Hatton wasted alot of his career with that WBU title, Which is not a real world title.

Apart from that he went as far as he was going to go and it was all down hill after that.

 

Jeez....atsch

 

Is Warren still on the brink of signing John Murray? If so, I'd be interested to see how Warren moves him along compared to how Fat Mick would do.

 

From what I heard Warren was talking of signing him after his contract with Fat Mick expires in the next few months. I dont see Murray re-signing with Hennessy.

But then again you never know in boxing.

 

There is nithing wrong with what warren does. As someone earlier said some guys do need more polishing than others. But there is nothing wring with learning your trade properly. Put it this way. I really like ste smith, think he is an outstanding talent. When he won the commonwealth, I thought he might have lost the fight by a round. The reason? Not enough work on the inside. You could see paul smith at ringside shouting to ste to work more on the inside. The reason I mention this fight is simply because ste, I feel, needed more learning fights to bring that aspect of his game up to scratch. That is where good match making comes into it. It night seem like padding out, but in reality it is fine tuning different aspects if his game.
The point I am making is that sometimes an opportunity can come too quick for even the best, and learning fights, or padding out someones record as a lot of you on here like to say, is no big deal. It's actually good management. I mean look at bellew. Frank threw him in with ajisafe, and bellew had the hardest night of his pro career. But he learnt something new that will stand him in good stead when he steps up.
I am by no means a warren kiss arse, but credit where credit is due, he knows his onions and his fighters are brought along accordingly.
Fat Mick and Maloney can't compete.

 

How was it a waste? He wasn't ready for World level and theres only so many British title fights you can have. Guys like Vince Phillips, Ben Tackie, Vilches, Ray Oliviera were all world ranked fighters. Just because they were for a crappy belt doesn't mean Hatton didn't take something from them.

If Hatton has gone for a world title 2 years earliar than he did he would have lost.

I fail to understand how only losing to the best 2 fighters of his generation can be seen as a failed career?

 

Murray will be on the December bill!!

 

I agree Rob. But i was not comparing Warren to other British promoters. I was just commenting on the way he handles a lot of his fighters.

 

Hatton stagnated for a long time and lost a lot of respect during that time. Many many fans wanted him to step up but he continued fighting the Pedersons/Vilches/Olivieras etc. They were all overmatched and not expected to win, it was all a means to boost his bank account. If Hatton had fought and beat a Witter type or a Corley type, it would have given him some experience with slick fighters. However, he was carefully kept away from any sort of slick fighter. They made a mistake putting him in with Collazo and it almost backfired. And of course when he came up against Mayweather and Pac, two slick fighters, he got complete hidings from both men.

Looking back, it seems he might have had a big chance of beating Witter or Corley. Those fights would have made him a better fighter. Would he have beaten Pac or Floyd as a result? Probably not, but it would have given him a better chance if he had beaten a few world class slicksters along the way.