Frank William Randall vs. Amir Iqbal Khan

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The Surgeon or The King?

  1. Randall on points

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  2. Randall by stoppage

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  3. Draw

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  4. Khan on points

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  5. Khan by stoppage

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Hysterical shrill Soros client queen. Staff Member

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    Who takes it at LWW, each on their optimal form?

    Their respective stewardship of the WBA title (Randall as the organization's 24th & 26th champion, from 1994-96 and then reclaiming briefly from 1996-97; Khan as its 37th from 2009-11) were in the grand scheme not that far removed, but the pair actually didn't have any overlap in their careers. That's with as short a gap as it gets, however: Amir's professional debut came on July 15th, 2005 - exactly one day after Frankie's last bout.

    Both dabbled early at (but were decidedly over-sized for) lightweight, and both fought reasonably well at welter and rather less so at 154lbs. A couple of true blue natural buck-forties.

    ...and the similarities pile up:

    1. both make for stock-standard poster-boys for the concept of a "world class glass cannon" (to be fair, ten of Randall's dozen stoppage losses did come in this millennium, therefore after his passing the seventeen year mark in the pros....and yet he was dropped several times in his peak days by Carr, Rosario, and I believe all of his fights with Coggi; Amir's bombastic imbroglios upon getting hit flush are well-documented. They were both, however, equally as capable of knocking out damn near anyone they faced - in particular at 140. Their kayo ratios are deceptively low, and nearly identical Randall 54.55%; Khan 53.85%...)
    2. both are renowned mostly for their hand speed, footwork, and money-punch right cross from range - but each comes with an underrated (and underused) body-punching game.
    3. both had successful amateur careers and, eerily, both won 91% of their bouts (Randall going 263-23 and Khan 101-9)
    4. both are 3x world champions - all in the same division, and in either man's case involving two WBA reigns and one additional (WBC for Randall, IBF for Khan).
    5. both had exactly 15 bouts against current, former or future world titlists. Randall went 6-8-1 and Khan 11-4, both with three kayos)
    6. both fought against p4p-rated Mexican legends, and both acquitted themselves well (Randall going 1-2 in his rivalry with JCC, and Khan bagging a few rounds before succumbing to a larger, younger Canelo Álvarez in a valiant but ill-advised bid for a middleweight strap).
    7. both have a lengthy history of cuts from head clashes affecting their matches to varying degrees.
    8. both stand precisely 5'8".
    I think it would make for a gentlemanly fencing duel, perhaps veering on tedium for a few rounds - until somebody gets jolted by a right in a blink-of-an-eye defensive laps. Then, it gets fun.
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I went with Randall by decision.
     
  3. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Khan squeezes a SD win.
     
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  4. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    What a fight this would be!

    I'd give it to Randall, better chin and power, and I imagine this would be a 5 round shootout, and you've got to imagine the more durable guy in that situation is the one that has gone 30 rounds with JCC without touching the canvas.

    I think Randall is better at range nasty stiff jab, and a piston of a straight right.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Hysterical shrill Soros client queen. Staff Member

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    That's a pretty mature take, actually - I'm sure many won't be able to restrain themselves from assuming the big splashy ending here.

    I can definitely see a tumultuous journey over twelve, with the potential for knockdowns traded (perhaps even within the same rounds) but withstood, leaving judges & press row confounded...but yeah, prime Randall's class bearing out.
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Marco Antonio Barrera is the only Mexican Great Khan has fought. :deal:
     
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    POTUS JoJo Dan Full Member

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    Looked like a senior citizen in that fight for some reason, in boxing years probably was. Khan cut through MAB like a hot knife through butter. It was interesting to see years later DSG & Maidana struggle with Ancient Morales. Different fighters I'm just saying
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Hysterical shrill Soros client queen. Staff Member

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    1. Forget contrasting their geriatric campaigns, focus on primes and MAB >>> EM :nono:, but that's a whole other ball of wax...


    2. @George Crowcroft, re: Cinnamon Girl, honestly, being put in a position of having to say this has the bile rising up in my throat, but...dude has etched himself among the greats...está claro. :nusenuse: Mind you, he's still no Superstar, nor Chava (hell, not sure he's even quite past Dinamita or Finito, yet, in my book) but he's on the annals. Nothing to be done for it.


    3. Let's get things back on track here:

     
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  9. POTUS

    POTUS JoJo Dan Full Member

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    I'm just saying, Maidana & DSG went life & death with Morales. Meanwhile Khan toys with MAB like a child, different fighters strange comparison I'm just saying (off topic as well lol)., I don't write off Khan Walking through MAB. Khan could have Squeeked by a decision if he wasnt as talented as he is
     
  10. 22JM

    22JM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You must have missed the Canelo fight?
     
  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    I loved watching The Surgeon fight, I think he would be too focused, especially coming off that surprise win over Julio Caesar Chavez Sr, the momentum would be on Randall's side, Frankie on point, comfortably although Khan has good speed.
     
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  12. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Well cut is the right term; Barrer was handicaped from middle of the first round because of a headbutt and bleeding heavily. So this ough to have been a no contest of technical draw. They only let it continue to round 5, that they were able to go to the scorecards. When this point was arrived, it was immediately stopped because of the injury from round 1...:buenrollo:
     
  13. Brixton Bomber

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    This.

    Khan looked amazing at 140, but Randall gets him eventually.

    Khan's willingness to engage in a fist fight, and not engage his brain, would be his undoing (as per).
     
  14. ashishwarrior

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    Lol
    Khan walking through feather weights lol
    Like dib

    If you knew how marco was treated over here prior to the fight
    Messed about from start to finish
    Sat in Salford van hire trying to get a motor hired his hotel was not apparently sorted etc etc and hss old and what was he at two weights above his go to weight
    I do not count that fight nc imo
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Canelo is no great fighter. He's not top 150, and won't be if he can't win a big fight without an astrix. :deal:
     


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