Frazier is overated to make Ali look better.

God you are one mother****ing idiot.

Your proof of Frazier having a great chin was him withstanding Ali's punches?? Ali got no power you dumbass. When has Ali ever koed anyone cold??

Now yeah, Fraizer only lost by KO to Foreman, but here another newsflash to you - Foreman is the only HW with real great KO power that he fought.

And your reference to TUa's loss to Byrd only shows you are a low IQ neantherthal, which you probably got from your dumbass parents. Did it ever occur to you that Byrd style is different to that of Frazier? Going by your stupid analysis, are you going to say Fraizer will not lose to Foreman because Foreman could not even beat Jimmy Young.

 

at the end of the day marciano was losing to the likes of charles and walcott, and if it wasnt for his one punch power, then he would of lost to those two. ali not only was better than those two, but also had the durability to also take that one punch power. to be honest i really don't believe this fight would of been that close.

frazier was good, but you got to remember he didn't fight a prime ali, not did foreman, and yet ali still beat them. ali was that damn good, not only ability, but also durability and mentality aswell,

 

Tua give me a break!

 

I hope a lot of these posters never breed.

 

You have obviously never seen Joe Frazier's career if you actually believe what your saying mr thread starter.

On his way up he was an absolute beast and destroyed most of his competition

 

Ali was a deceptively big puncher. Instead of asking yourself "Who did he KO?" ask yourself who did he try to KO. Ali was a mover, who didn't always go for the knockout, but when he did, he actually stopped a lot of those opponents. He didn't always sit down on his shots and that's the reason for his, as I said, deceptively low knockout ratio.

That said, let's look at the facts:

Ali was the only person to stop granite chinned Bonavena. Bonavena went 25 rounds with hard hitting Frazier, Chuvalo, Lyle, Patterson and more. Bonavena had a rock hard chin and Ali was the only person to stop him.

Regardless of the controversy in the second fight, Ali stopped Liston, who was very tough. You could even argue that the second fight wasn't a dive considering Liston actually got up. Some experts say it was a dive, some say it wasn't. I think it was but, regardless, Ali has two stoppages over Liston.

He also stopped the always very tough Quarry. That was a stoppage you can't really ignore either. Quarry had an excellent chin and was incredibly tough.

Ron Lyle had an iron chin but was stopped the first time in his career by Ali. In the fight following this, Lyle went to war with Shavers, took bombs, and outlasted his man.

And then there are stoppages over Ellis, Wepner, Moore, Folley and so on.


The point is though, nobody is saying Ali is some monstrous hitter, but to completely ignore his punching power is wrong. He was a slick fighter who didn't always plant his feet, but considering he was a slick mover, he has a good knockout record. How many fighters of a similar style have a better list of KO victims? Not many.

Have you seen Frazier/Stander?

If you have, you'll know just how badly shopworn Frazier was after the first Ali fight. That fight ended his prime, so, yeah, you can talk about Frazier facing one puncher and he was knocked out. I don't consider that true, but even if it was, so what? By that time, he was pretty much blind in one eye, he had a list of medical problems as long as your arm and he didn't enjoy fighting any more. It's also worth considering that when he was better prepared, a truly shot Frazier ended up going a few more rounds against Foreman and putting in a respectable performance.

The KO loss the first time around is one of the most overstated losses I've ever seen on ESB. Foreman was a huge puncher and a vastly deteriorated Frazier took him lightly and was knocked out.

In his prime, Frazier was a truly excellent fighter. One of the greatest defences in the heavyweight division, an unbreakable will and toughness to match. A fantastic body puncher, who carried a one punch knockout in his left hook.

It's actually quite sad that people who haven't seen his fights, pop onto YouTube, see him get destroyed by Foreman and then look at BoxRec and sum him up as a guy who was nothing. It's amazing that people detract from Ali's record, because he lost to Frazier. Anyone who can make these kind of absurd claims knows nothing - nothing - about boxing.

 

I thought Ali beat Quarry on a TKO? Isn't this one that that was stopped rather than Ali knocking him out?

 

You should watch the HBO documentary "Thrilla in Manila". The documentary shows that Ali told his trainers to take off his gloves and he passed out right after he was declared a winner.

You can even argue that Frazier saved Ali's life by quiting, but who knows.

 

You mean the rematch?

 

And what does that mean? He won against Ali in *ONE* fight and he got knocked down 6 times flat on his ass by a crude slugger called George Foreman. Frazier is a nobody and his win over Ali is his claim to fame. Exactly as the threadstarter outlined without this single one-time win who exactly is Frazier? A nobody.

Head to head Frazier would get blown through the ropes with relative ease by most top 3 HWs of the last 30 years.

 

Well if you got good eyes you got more than Frazier had!

 

That's about right!:good

 

You missed one vital aspect, he did not just give Ali trouble!, he beat him.

 

This must be a joke