Frazier or Marciano?

I think marciano. He seemed to do more slipping and counter punching while Joe just kept bobbing and weaving.
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They were both hard to hit and used similiar bobbing and weaving to slip jabs on the way inside, but once Marciano developed his much more unusually pronounced crouching/leaning stance against LaStarza and Charles I would give him the clear advantage. Smoking Joe remained workrate depended and was subject to being timed, taking much more punishment over the course of his career, especially once he slowed down. Rocky also always seemed more natural at defending himself, while Frazier always seemed to have to think about it if that makes sense. I think the biggest difference is Rocky's two handed feinting, very underrated aspect of his game that often helped him close the gap far better than his defense.

 

Very good point Mongoose. In round(i think 7) Marciano does like a left right feint then crashes a left hook into lastarza's jaw. It was unbelievable the way he completely tricked a defensive mind lastarza. I have not seen many fighters do this befor. Do you know which segment I am talking about?

 

I like Mongoose's answer. I think that Frazier was faster to close the distance and probably a more agile fighter. His relentless pressure, in some ways was his offense. I think Marciano seem more minded on glove-blocking, feinting, because he lacked a bit of speed in both foot and hand. It helps tremendously that Rocky was awkward and punching from all sorts of angles. Frazier, on the other hand was more accurate and had better timing so he could take advantage of more opportunities naturally; Marciano was more ponderous but purposeful in his efforts to counter-punch. Frazier might have been just as good without trying to, especially slipping a man's right hand and then countering with the left hook.

If I had to break it down specifically, I would say you could argue that Frazier could slip the jab better. Either way Frazier's defense allowed him to take quick advantage of slipping or taking glancing shots to attack in return. Marciano's required effort to switch modes a little bit. I would say Frazier slipped the jab a little better, due to his superior reflexes (Another reason why him being faster, more agile a fighter allowed for him to use this relentless pressure style like Armstrong). While Marciano seemed to better at weaving, blocking, or ducking a right hand. Both were good at dealing with left-hooks because it was dangerous to get into that sort of exchange with him. Frazier was clearly more open for the uppercut, as Marciano used more parrying and was in a crouch. Frazier was more forward and open for it.

 

Theres an interview where Frazier says he would beat Marciano easily. I'll try find it. Might have posted it before actually.

 

Its a video interview: http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/178172-frazier-i-wouldve-had-no-problem-with-marciano-or-tyson/

 

Also Tyson too. Frazier looks bad there to be honest.

He basically said boxing improved and there was an evolution, but he sees Tyson being no problem for him. Like the evolution theory stops with his time, a tad bit of a double standard.

 

Aye, he's getting on a bit now. The ring catching up with him

 

Frazier easily. Really under-rated defence, inside and outside.

 

Watch the first Quarry fight from Round 3 on and look at just how many shots are slipped, blocked, deflected by the gloves or taken on the shoulders.

 

It really comes down to what you like.

Frazier was more eager to close the gap and keep it closed, Mariano welcomed thoughtful pauses to revise his angle of attack. In that sense, Frazier was more straight-forward but his fluidity with his bobs and slips was very good.

Having established the difference on that spectrum, Frazier was probably a little easier to hit because he persistently marched into the firing-range, hunched-over, but then again a good offence can prove a good defence, and Frazier thwarted many challengers through that inssesant plugging.

Marciano; slower, yet thoughtful and creative, or Frazier; straight-forward, yet compact and hard to stop. Who do you like?

 

It really comes down to what you like.

Frazier was more eager to close the gap and keep it closed, Marciano welcomed thoughtful pauses to revise his angle of attack. In that sense, Frazier was more straight-forward but his fluidity with his bobs and slips was very good.

Having established the difference on that spectrum, Frazier was probably a little easier to hit because he persistently marched into the firing-range, hunched-over, but then again a good offence can prove a good defence, and Frazier thwarted many challengers through that incessant plugging.

Marciano; slower, yet thoughtful and creative, or Frazier; straight-forward, yet compact and hard to stop. Who do you like?

 

Honestly, rarely saw much glove-blocking by Frazier. Occasionally he knocks down jabs or pawing measures by opponents. A lot of his defense is primarily head-movement. Not even shoulder blocking (I'm at a loss for the real term there). Loved how Frazier used that cross arm guard, though. Employed it better than most, and really came out of it with the left hook good. His defense was good, and his inside game was superior to Rocky.

 

rocky could outsmart his opponents and as stated used feints and awkward angles. i think joe relied more on outworking his opponents and using his offense as his defense. that said, i think joe's guard was more effective. tough call.