Frazier-Tyson-Liston

A few. Depends on who's rated a "contender", I guess he beat about the same number.

As far as heavyweights go, I think Liston looks pretty good. He's not flawless but overall his complete package is impressive. That's why I'd probably put him in the top 15 of all-time.

Yes, that is an excuse most defenders of Liston's greatness use. I dont buy it either.

 

I agree that the two things are more or less the same, i actually realised it when i was typing it. But my story sounded so nice!

Again i agree that Tyson seemed to quit mentally against Lewis right after round one or two. Didn't he say something like "i'm hurt" in the corner early in the fight?
Either way, he did take his beating and kept trying against Douglas & Holyfield I. Basically, it "took" a rematch against Holyfield to make him quit.
But Liston quit in the first match and faster than light in the rematch. In my opinion (and it's no more than that), Tyson has a slight edge.

Agreed here. I can't really think of another heavyweight champion who was slower and roughly his size. Carnera and Willard maybe, but they were a lot bigger. Marciano also but he fights in a different style where he can get away with it and proved to be effective to a much higher degree than Liston did.

 

Young Mike Tyson was the greatest heavyweight swarmer of all time. Frazier’s heart and stamina edge out Liston. I have Tyson at 3, Frazier at 7, Liston at 10.

Simply, the footage shows young Tyson had great fundamentals for his style, to the point he made things look easy, plus amazing athleticism expressed in fantastic speed of hand and foot, culminating in a huge punch, on-the-button accuracy and annihilating combinations.

Tyson was a better version of Frazier in that he had two cannons and a much greater variety of faster punches; he also had a better chin. Tyson was a better version of Liston in that he was faster and had better combinations; he also had a slightly better chin.

I have come to respect young Tyson comparing him on film to the all-time greats. At his peak he went 12 hard rounds when necessary and dominated. He did it with power and skill. His inner demons? He was always much younger, much shorter, much less experienced, yet rampaged through to the top of the division. Look how easily he dismantled tough Berbick. All fighters have inner demons. He controlled the fire very well when he was heart-and-soul in the game.

Compare this trio on film at their peak. To me Tyson is the most awesome.

 

1. Tyson
2. Frazier
3. Liston

 

What he said was "I can't do it no more..." It was at the end of the fifth round, I believe. I'm relying on memory here, but I'm pretty sure it was the fifth. They were working on a cut at the time.

 

frazier,liston,tyson

 

1. Frazier

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2. Tyson

3. Liston

Frazier's triumph in the FOTC gives him a clear gulf between the other two. Tyson's greater depth of resume and comeback success give him the edge over Liston.

 

We tend to agree a lot, especially on the HWs.

 

I have Tyson at 6

Frazier 7 or 8 switching with Foreman

And Liston 10-12

 

Good point.

Frazier and Tyson can each genuinely claim to have cleaned out their divisions during a particular time frame. There's no point in which Liston can claim the same. He never even fought a top 5 contender until late 1960. In the time frame between 1960 and his eventual shot at Patterson, he turned down a chance to fight Johansson, who was the best contender in the division outside of himself. After beating Patterson, he lost to the next top contender to come along which was Ali.

 

Same here.

 

I think Frazier gets overrated a bit.

 

#4 Liston


#10 Frazier
#11 Tyson

 

I agreed first jackass.