Frazier-Tyson-Liston

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I agreed in my mind first, so I get eleventy-twelve points, mutha****a.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl funny because foreman had better career than tyson,tyson avoided him and styles make fights, foreman would destroy him.

tyson was good in his prime but he faced tomato cans or old men. and spinks a lhw. tyson is not top 10.
foreman is top 5 for sure. liston and frazier are above tyson any day.
your list is a joke sorry..

 

I rate Joe fifth,Liston sixth and Tyson between 7 - 9,along with Holyfield and Lewis. I'm always changing my mind about which order THOSE three are. Tough,this hypothetical boxing game,is n't it ? Good fun though.

 

All 3 are locks as ATG's! The only real debate is as to high or low in the rankings they place among the other ATG's. I believe that all 3 warrent consideration in the 7-12 neighborhood, and that order can be switched around to fit the list maker/rankers criteria.

I currently have Frazier in the 7 slot (my 3rd tier), Liston at 8 (also 3rd tier), and tyson at 12 (5th tier).

1. Louis
2. Ali
For me they are the top tier and interchangable by the ranker

3. Johnson
4. Marciano
5. Holmes

for me these are the next 3 best HW's with little to nothing seperating them in my mind.

6. Foreman
7. Frazier
8. Liston
(This is where I place Frazier & Liston and find little seperating them, although I would pick Liston over frazier in a hypothetical H2H...I don't rate H2H because it is even more subjective than the weight that different people place on resume, and ultimately cannot be proven, while resume can be regarded differently it can also prove what has accomplished)

9. Lewis
10. Holyfield

I find these guys the next tier and very close for me)

11. Dempsey
12. Tyson
13. Jeffries

This is where I rank Tyson

14. Schmeling
15. patterson

16. Wills
17. Walcott
18. Charles

I can't really see anyway that Tyson, Frazier or Liston could be ranked higher than number 6....I don't believe they can crack the top 5. I also think they are too good to be ranked 14th or lower and cannot come up w/anyone to place above them (I would imagine Wlad will ultimately fall into the 14-18 range). I would have no problem w/the order of the 3 differing from mine, nor ask any questions unless 1 or more were rated top 5, or 14+!

 

Could you post the 14-19 others who rate higher than him...I can't see outside of 13...15 at the absolute worst.

 

damn I've been had. Well played sir, well played.

 

sonny's jab - good post...like your previous 2 on this subject, saved me a lot of time typing! Your point about Tyson winning the title against Spinks and the similarity to Liston's pre-title reign is spot on. It's very easy for people to overlook the difference between an alphabet titel and the World Championship, even more so today when the audit trail is so blurred.:good

 

You've taken the words out of my mouth again. In Holy 2, Tyson got himself DQ'd (and he knew he had to do something dreadful to "earn" a DQ in a fight of this size) because he didn't want another 9.5 rounds from Holy like he got in the first fight. Didn't Teddy Atlas predict a DQ loss for Tyson in Holy 2?

Againdt Lewis...I believe Tyson in a strange way took his lumps almost to "cleanse" himself from his former "sins" in the ring. I think he wanted to show the world he did have courage & could take his licks like a true fighter should.

 

ATG HEAVY ranks for them ppl -

6 - Frazier

11 - Liston

15 - Tyson