Frazier & Tyson who is greater?

:rofl

Very funny.

 

I don't see any evidence that suggests Joe took constant punishment better. Can you back that statement up?

Would Joe take the punches of genuinely big men like Douglas and Lewis for round after round?
I'm talking about pure durability here, not heart or grit, which I agree Frazier has more of.

Joe took Ali's best (mostly) over the course of three fights sure, but Ali a lot of the time wasn't sitting down on his punches.

 

:rofl:rofl Nice 1 m8.

We would need to proper make sure Kevin "Rude Boy" Rooney was in Tinkerbell's corner And camp,, so there could be no eXcuses come before or after come fight night. :yep

 

******ed post, *****:bbb:bbb:bbb

Virgin alert! :deal The minute this guy gets ***** is the minute he calls Tyson as he is...a man that would push Foreman's **** in before he knows it.

Get a life you ***** ****.

 

I do have a sweet ass girlfriend, she 19 to my 57. :smoke

 

I'm not talking about family members...that does NOT count :hi:

 

It is true that Mike's prime was not long. His physical body and youth was probably prime when he lost to Douglas, but mentally his style needed 100 percent concentration and study. He was too short to go in the ring with big guys with 80 inch reaches and he had 71 inch reach,and he avoided punches in 1986-1988, but by 1989 with Bruno he was being hit because of his lack of commitment to moving his head and working inside to land the bodyshots to come up to the head. He just started taking punches to get inside. Worked usually but he was being hit more after 1989. Other guys like Hearns or Leonard had boxing skills so they could go in the ring and have 80 percent days and still win and then learn other aspects of the game like holding when they got older. Mike at 1987 was as peak as he was going to get. Mike never could get back to his concentration level he needed to be 1987 great. And then Douglas beat him badly and it just took a little out of him. I still say Mike was greater than Frazier ATG. Frazier was a great warrior.

 

foreman hook is a inbread hick

 

Joe in his prime would take Tyson's heart...I like Joe...

 

Great point. Frazier was more focused during his career. Tyson needed that focus for head movement and sharp punching but lost it resulting in making fights harder than needed(Bruno 1) and eventually losing because of it(Douglas).

 

And you called his post ******ed :-(

Prime for prime Mike would get KTFO by Foreman within 6

 

More like within 2 m8! :thumbsup

 

Most pitbull type attacking fighters dont have real longevity. It takes a superhuman. will and desire to attack bigger guys consistantly. Not to mention the conditioning it takes. Once they lose a little bit they fall off pretty fast. Tyson is no exception to this rule.

 

Not necessarily true.

He didnt go crazy the way Tyson did over women and whatever other problems he was dealing with but Joe did step out and lose his focus after he defeated Ali.

It was normal to want to enjoy life some and get out and do other things. Joe Frazier started a band and at least according to Eddie Futch he had lost his drive.

In my own view I believe Frazier`s team was in his ear about retirement. As well as his family. Frazer had real serious health problems much of it due to the stress of boxing. Not to mention the fact that he was basically blind in his left eye for most of his pro career.

Anyway point is that Joe lost his focus for awhile but he did get it back and almost won the heavyweight championship of the world again. He made a helluva effort.

 

He did but I just don't see him losing to Douglas-caliber opponents and taking guys lightly like Tyson did to Holy and got punished for. Or not trying to bring it 100% in a fight. I can't say the same for Tyson.