Frazier & Tyson who is greater?

Only two men have ever beat Frazier (not even a prime Frazier). Muhammad Ali, and George Foreman. Ali used his speed to beat Frazier, Foreman used his HUGE size advantage, reach advantage, and power to beat Frazier. Did Tyson have Ali's speed? :nono Foreman's size advantage?:nono Foreman reach advantage? :nono Foreman's power?:nono

Don't even get me started with Tyson ranking higher than Frazier.

 

Swagdelfadeel just bumped a 4 year old thread.

 

Big Frazier fan here, but I voted Option 2. (Frazier greater, Tyson H2H)

If Frazier and Tyson had met, I would be very fearful that Tyson comes out very quick and nails Joe early.

IF Frazier gets it to the 3rd or 4th and is in good shape, then I would definitely like Joe's chances. Greater heart, greater spirit, greater resolve, greater mind.

btw, I have NEVER considered Frazier's loss to GF in Kingston as "embarrassing".

Sure, JF got bounced around by a truly murderous puncher, but anybody ever notice he kept getting up?

What a champion.

 

Mike Tyson had a more dominant and active reign as a champion and proved that he had some fight left years after losing the title.. Frazier's win over Muhammad Ali is what makes it close, but I don't know if a single win ( and one that is tainted by the fact that said fighter was coming off a layoff ) can push him ahead.

 

Frazier had a much better resume. He beat everyone he faced except Foreman. Only two ATGS can claim victory over him. A peak 42-1 favorite got beaten by a bum who himself was not 100 %. As Merchant once said, "Tyson was an inch deep and a mile wide. Frazier was a mile deep and a mile wide."

 

What makes you so sure he would be able to nail him early? He couldn't shove Frazier around like Foreman did to set up big shots. I actually think Frazier has the stylistic advantage in this one contrary to popular belief.

 

I'm NOT sure Tyson nails Joe early with a big bomb, but if it happened, Tyson would absolutely be all over Joe trying for a quick kill.

Tyson being an extremely fast starter and Joe being a slow starter has got me concerned in this one.

Frazier would need to be good and warmed up before the opening bell.

 

I tend to agree with Swag here. As you rightly said Joe kept getting up when Foreman was knocking him over, however you neglected to say Joe was also loading up on his own left hooks trying to hit George back. ( I believe Foreman later made a comment about feeling the wind from one of them ) Tyson simply doesn't have the luxury of Foreman's long arms to push Jo back to tee him up, and could quite easily get nailed with a counter left on his way back in whilst looking for the finish.

 

Not really.

He lost two out of three to the other guy and in the only instance he beat him was after he had fought two times in four years.

One of those ATG's was past his prime while the other only became an ATG because he utterly destroyed Frazier.. If Ali had been the defending champion - and not Frazier, we wouldn't be calling him such.

Almost anyone I've ever talked to would disagree with you. First of all that "bum" had been a ranked contender for the better part of four years. had beaten some good fighters.. Was prime at age 29..Well trained and stood 6'4", weighing 230 lbs.. Contrary to your opinion that he wasn't 100%, most would say ( and have said ) that he was at his pinnacle..

Larry Merchant said a lot of things.

 

Just like I bumped your mother....

 

Not cool. Keep comments about family out of here dude.

 

Are you really telling me that Frazier's wins over Quarry and Ali are not as good as Tyson's victories over Bruno, Ruddock and the rest of the cans on his resume?! :huh I know that everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that, but what you're posting shows you're so ignorant of Frazier's competition, it's just flat out scary! I can assure you that Ali, Quarry, Foster, Bonavena, and Ellis would murder any of the cans on Tyson's resume. I'd bet the house on that. Also, who has the better record if only TWO hall of fame boxers can claim victory over Frazier while Tyson was KOd by three bums (once in his prime) and only two greats?

So were Holmes, and Spinks.

You're right. All he did besides destroying Frazier was win the world championship at the age of 45. No big deal right? atsch

That bum had lost to David Bey, Mike White, and Lou Saverse

He came down with the flu the day before the bout. Sorry

:huh

 

If those guys are "cans" then I can't imagine what one thinks of Stander, Daniels, Ramos, Zyglewic or Mathis.. And I already stated earlier that Ali was the best win between the two men.



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Isn't that something?

Care to start a poll on who leads this place in ignorance?

How are you going to assure me of that?

Umm, maybe if Frazier had fought some of the other bangers of his era he'd have a few more losses.

Was Tyson beaten by either of these guys or struggled with them??.. Hell I'll still take a 38 year old Holmes and 31 year old Spinks over most of the title challengers Frazier fought.

Bouncing Frazier all over the ring like a basketball is what put him on the map. Without that win he likely would have faded into obscurity, meaning there'd be no title fight 20 years later. Foreman was mightily criticized for his lackluster comp prior to the Frazier fight and to the extent of people questioning his entitlement to a championship fight.

And beat Trevor Berbick, Greg Page, Tex Cobb and Oliver McCall along with giving Tucker a great fight.
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Sure, after a six year retirement at age 37

I've had the flu plenty of times in my life. And I can tell you that if he genuinely had it, then he'd be lucky to wondering out of bed, let alone trading leather in a boxing ring. If you can produce a genuine doctor's report I might give you some credibility on that, but for now I'm calling bull shlt.

Since you're quoting the opinions of others, I'll provide my own... About 25 years ago ring magazine featured Tyson vs Frazier in their " battle of the legends" segment ( not sure that you read ring or ever have. ) But one of the three people on the opinion panel was James " bonecrusher" Smith... Now mind you, Smith was trained by Joe Frazier AND fought mike Tyson.. He picked Tyson to beat Frazier in one round and given that Larry Merchant never had either of those relationships with those two men, I think I'll go with the testimony of Jim Smith.

 

At least I know my mother.

You haven't seen yours since she left you at the doorstep of the orphanage.

 

I know yours very well, had more sausage than a retired butcher....

You're not my mum are you Asser????