Frazier v. Dempsey 15 rds

Considering this is prime for prime, Frazier empathically. He'd probably visit the canvas, but he'd stand up and go to work. In an absolute shootout, Frazier in the mid-to-late rounds.

 

dempsey was my fav of all time. dempsey had power in BOTH hands. both had simliar styles. i don't see how frazier wins this fight. styles make fights and dempsey was better. dempsey by KO inside of 5 rounds

 

Beware C,you'll get plenty of flack by a few on ESB that have Jack Dempsey edging out Butterbean for # 432 on alltime HWts. Dempsey, Louis and Joe Frazier are my 3 alltime heavyweights...I loved Joe Frazier as a man and as a fighter since I saw him lose a controversial decision to Buster Mathis in the Olympic trials, before they turned pro. And years later seeing Frazier at the FOTC at MSG years later solidified my respect for him. A great fighter and a decent man was Joe. But I think Dempsey stops Joe Frazier M2M
as Dempsey was harder to tag on the chin, was a better two handed puncher than Joe and didn't expend nearly as much energy as Frazier. And
no heavyweight was rougher, tougher in close than the Manassa Mauler when he was at his best pre-Hollywood...And Dempsey could box when required as shown in his 15 round decision ,when he widely decisioned a truly master boxer Tommy Gibbons in a blazing afternoon sun...
Forget the weight difference nonsense that Dempsey at 190, was too small. All of his weight was from the chest up...Today he could easily have packed 210-15 lbs. on his torso if his mastermind jack Kearns desired...
Dempsey at his best was a speedy, lithe, walloping son of a ***** at his peak, and no one was tougher...cheers C.

 

Once again i agree with Burt. I think Dempsey too often is underrated in H2H matchups when in truth he is a monster H2H which is how I generally rate fighters. Fast, powerful and more skilled than often given credit for.

 

I personally don't think that Dempsey would know what the hell to do against a guy like Joe Frazier... Imagine spending your entire career facing men who fought in a straight upright posture, and along comes some dude who's bobbing and weaving all over the place with upper body movement that it is unheard of for a heavyweight, along with faster hands than you've ever seen and tremendous power behind them.... Dempsey's trainers wouldn't even know what to tell him.. Best chance he has is to get Joe against the ropes or in a corner and land with barage, but given that Smoke was such a good infighter, outweighed him by about 20 lbs and was likely the stronger man, I don't even know if that would work.

 

gotta go with burt as he seems to know alot about both men . like him my favorite fighters are dempsey, louis, and frazier. ive seen frazier fight and met dempsey as well as other heavyweight champs such as walcott, tyson, foreman, holmes but never louis; but i like dempsey in this one- but who knows- nobody

 

Frazier eats Dempsey alive.

 

Poppeycock S. True Dempsey never fought a heavyweight with the style of a Joe Frazer, but it is equally CERTAIN that Joe Frazier never fought a man like Jack Dempsey...I am pretty sure the prime Jack Dempsey beats a Joe Frazier,prime to prime as dempsey LOVED the trenches, was a better two-handed puncher, needed but 6 inches punching room to put a man to sleep,and if NEEDED could be very elusive on his feet. I beseech ye to watch the 2nd round of the Firpo fight ,when in a clinch with the powerful
Firpo, Dempsey releases his left hand and without any punching room
bombards Firpo with a fusillade of powerful left hooks, uppercuts, so fast and vicious NEVER seen before or since...This is not hyperbole S...
To ESB folks, watch this amazing display of speed and power with virtually
NO PUNCHING ROOM. Dempsey in close was an animal, pure and simple.
Watch this S. Second round of the Firpo fight...cheers...

 

Firpo was a joke

 

What a prime Dempsey did to Firpo in a virtual clinch, he could do to anyone . Firpo regardless of his lack of skills was as STRONG a heavyweight as can be in close. Dempsey left hooked and tossed Luis Angel Firpo around like a rag doll. Dempsey at his best was a bigger, earlier edition of Roberto Duran, snarl,viciousness and all...In close Dempsey was a force of nature, and as Nat Fleischer described
Dempsey, "amazingly strong ". Too, too bad most people today judge Dempsey on his showing against Gene Tunney,when Dempsey , old and slow of hand and foot ,and at age 32, took on a razor sharp Gene tunney after not fighting for THREE years, without a tuneup fight and in the midst of a bitter legal battle with Jack Kearns....This was not the Jack Dempsey
of his prime, but the Manassa Mauler in NAME only...I bid you adieu ...

 

If you think that Frazier's upper body movement would be foreign to Dempsey, then you need to study up on the movements that comprised what were known as "Dempsey's Triples"... then find a heavy bag and try to emulate those movements. That is where the whole bob and weave and punch "frazier" style started.
And when you describe "Frazier style" as all that upper body movement with fast hands and power...that was Dempsey 50 years before Frazier.
Go try the "triples" and then say Dempsey is primitive.

 

Dempsey didn't spend his whole career facing men who fought in straight upright postures.
I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

 

Wow great fight I can quite easily see how both fighters would win I can't pick a winner with any sense of confidence so I won't

My hutch is the longer it goes the more I favour Frazier (maybe)

 

Wow shocked at the responses thus far, even for Classic.

Frazier was faster, much more accurate, bigger, more proven, had a higher workrate and more durable yes more durable Frazier isn't going to get taken out by Fireman Flynn, badly buzzed by 175lbs Carpentier or decked by Tunney. He only took punches from Heavyweights he should be given some benefit of the doubt that he'd be able to take the punches of a 180lber no matter how hard he hits. Also Frazier was far superior in close watch any fight of a prime Frazier like against Ellis than watch Dempsey against Brennan or Carpentier. Frazier was the better fighter and would beat Dempsey at his own game.

Also Frazier could be a VERY fast starter count how many punches Frazier throws in the first 3 rounds of the Chuvalo fight and then watch ANY Dempsey fight and see if he throws a similiar amount.

 

If your plan for Frazier winning involved him "weathering the early storm" to asert himself later in the fight, then it probably isn't realistic.