I am a 'Holmes' jockstrap sniffer.......... Been so since '78......... He was great...... MR.BILLbbbhat
Frazier of Ali 1 was the last of a prime Joe Frazier and he went down hill after that fight, even in Stander and Daniels you could see it. In Ali 1 it was Frazier that did the hurting of Ali ( a very prime or close to prime Ali) Norton was a young guy with the right style vs Ali, both Ali and joe started to slide a bit after each war but Frazier more so. Even with that in mind Frazier made the other 2 fights with Ali more of life and death, ebb and flow than Norton did