Frazier VS Marciano

Bruce was only 4-1 at the time of the fight hardly a veteran. Joe knew he was garbage but took him for granted and learned a lesson.

I also stated I wouldn’t hold that knock down against him. Thought he was knocked down a few more times and later. I only act like I know everything but admit when I’m wrong.

 

Dude.

I don't give a **** about Moore's record.

Your statement was bogus. At heavyweight Moore's resume isn't even in the same zip code as Foreman's.

 

What does Foreman have to do with Moore? You’re making zero sense. Moore scored a flash knock down against Marciano he didn’t repeatedly knock down Marciano till the ref stopped it. Stop comparing the two. marciano beat him up pretty bad after

 

A lot of great fighters get knocked down at some point, or have a hard time with that opponent. It is a lesson in the ring for them, an education at Boxing University. Many criticize Muhammad Ali for getting knocked down by Henry Cooper, very legitimate knockdown in June 1963, but it appears that Ali was toying with a heavyweight with a great left hook. bottom line, he got up. In May 1966, he did not toy with Cooper, he sliced him up. stopped him, TKO 6. This is just an example of how fighters progress.

 

I agree. I don’t hold it against Joes chin. Not sure Marciano would get the same treatment but I don’t. I was wrong and thought Joe was knocked down against other men later. He was only hurt against Machen and the other knockdowns. I still think Marcianos chin was better.

 

There have been a couple of Marciano and Frazier highlight reels over the years, because people who like one often like the other. My take from them has been that Frazier is obviously faster, but Marciano seems to hit harder. Frazier knocks his opponents out, but Marciano seems to numb them. Having said that, I would not relish being hit by either of these gentlemen. While Frazier is bigger, I do question whether he was physically stronger. This debate has raged over the years, and I have always come down slightly in the Marciano camp, but it would be a rash man who bet a lot of money one way o the other.

 

I wonder if Marciano’s two-fisted attack on the inside could turn the tides in his favor. Frazier certainly had a great left hook and hand speed. But marcianos two fists were like sledge hammers

 

Because you said Frazier was dropped by lesser fighters than Moore when people were comparing the chins of Frazier and Rocky. Seeing as Foreman is one of the people who dropped Frazier, you seemed to be implying he was a lesser fighter than Moore.

Foreman was neither a lesser fighter, nor a lesser puncher than Moore. That is all. You drug this on for like 2 pages because you made a strange statement and I pointed out that it didn't make any sense.

 

Certainly wasn’t strange. Bonavena is less of a fighter then Walcott or Moore. I personally thought he has a few more other then his second fight with a nobody who dropped him which I won’t hold against him. The statement still stands.

foreman is obviously better then all of them.

 

Your statement doesn't stand at all.

You literally just admitted foreman was better than Moore and Walcott.

And Bonavena likely hit harder than those two as well but he wasn't as good of a fighter in terms of skill and ability.

 

I think Joe's precision and accuracy get overlooked quite often. Rocky tended to miss by margins not usually seen in elite level fighters. He made his style work but I think along with Frazier quicker hands would be a hurdle for Marciano.

 

Gazelle , has thought about this , and come up with a winning formula for Rocky, one of which I concur. keep well.

 

I see a lot of exaggarations on both sides in this thread. Sadly, because it's fantastic hypothetical fight - one of the best ever.

I think I'd give Frazier the edge because he was slightly bigger and had quicker hands. I don't see there is a clear edge in chin or toughness on either side. Rocky seemed to be more powerful though and he had much better right hand, so it's possible that he'd beat Joe.

As far as resume goes - Frazier wins it based on his Ali win, but other than that it's basically the same level.

 

Marciano's feinting ability is among the best of the great swarmers, only behind Duran. That feinting is the great neutralizer that makes up for his lack of speed and perceived skill....feinting is an invaluable boxing skill that few are truly great at. Frazier's dependency on reactive movement and speed will only go so far, the Rock ultimately moves him into a flush right hand and ends it.

 

I seriously question the boxing intelligence of anybody who would pick Marciano here. He gets battered