Frazier won FOTC now defends title against Usyk for HW ATG No.1 ('71)

I like Frazier here; bu Usyk is a live dog and a lot will depends on what version of Frazier gets into the ring.
If it is FOTC Frazier or close, then Usyk probably is overwhelmed early.

However, if it is Kingston Joe coming to the fight, then Usyk's chances improve significantly.

 

Frazier wins but people need to understand that FOTC was one specific moment in time, and that Frazier’s performance that night was fueled by abject animalistic bitter hatred and rage at one particular man, to the exclusion of any other man ever born of a woman on this planet, and that IMO it would be utterly impossible for him to be exactly the same way against just another opponent, who Usyk would be.

 

Frazier was born into sharecropping in the rural south, which was literally just slavery after slavery was "abolished", it was all the same white landowners with the same plantations until the cotton industry fizzled out and the government helped them transition to the timber/lumber industry which African Americans were largely excluded from, this led to massive unemployment and the increased movement from the south to places like California and the east coast

As for the environment in the south at the time, besides the lynch mobs, they used to have 14 year olds sit on bibles so they could be properly attached to the electric chair, unemployed blacks were easy to blame for crimes committed by whites

Frazier fled to the east coast because he was fired after confronting a boss that had been whipping other boys and threatened to whip him

 

This says it all--spot on summary!! Well stated!!

 

Hilarious you clearly have a huge bias towards Frazier but sorry to say Usyk beats him and makes it look easier then Foreman. Frazier would lose to most modern heavyweights the only reason he was successful is because he only fought one hard puncher (Foreman) when he's fighting someone as big or even bigger then Foreman he would look like a child.

 

Nobody could beat Usyk, Usyk beat a mentally damaged Anthony Joshua. Usyk would knock out Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Larry Holmes all in the same night. Of course I am being sarcastic and making fun of Usyk fanboys.

 

You got me there for a moment, pal.

 

I've never agreed that FOTC Frazier existed just that one night. He was just as brilliant against Quarry, Ellis, and Foster. Against them he didn't have to show the same incredible resilience, simply because they didn't offer as much in return as Ali did. Those three bouts combined didn't last as long as the fight with Ali. If he'd needed to, he'd have shown the same heart and toughness against Quarry and the others. I don't think that it was an attribute that needed Ali in order to exist.

 

Why does your post read like erotica
The cadence and bias makes it sound like fan-fiction (which I guess in the most literal sense, everything on the Classic section is).

ANYWAY, I'm not sure what it is with people calling all pure boxers light punching. If you have enough power to keep people honest then you have enough power period, not everyone needs to be a KO artist. If Usyk has the power to keep the 250lbs AJ off him, I don't think he'd have any problem holding back Frazier.

Both Usyk and Frazier have incredible stamina, with Usyk having been shown to keep up his work rate and his movement for 12 rounds without breaking sweat. So the notion that Usyk would be gassing after 5 rounds is absolute nonsense. Further, while Frazier is seemingly a bad match-up for Usyk, nobody is talking about the fact that people back then avoided southpaws like the plague. How would a man who basically just has a left hook adapt to fighting one of the, if not the best 200lbs + southpaw of all time?

Tbh I'm not sure who wins this fantasy match-up, I think it'd be competitive either way. But the notion that Frazier would effortlessly exhaust and dominate one of the tallest, one of the heaviest and by far one of the most skilled fighters he's ever faced, that is also a lefty, is just silly.

 

I've seen some stupid posts recently but this one takes the cake, and eats it as well.

 

It's a rather big call to say Usyk's team is going to come up with a "better game plan than Frazier's team" given Frazier is advised by Eddie Futch who is probably known as the greatest strategist in the history of boxing and has a plethora of famous game plans behind him in famous fights.

I'd also be interested in an explanation as to how Usyk "has much much more boxing experience".

He's had 21 pro fights. Amateur boxing isn't the pro's and one also has to take into account that sparring is very limited nowsadays compared to Frazier's day and sparring, as Flash will tell you, is where one goes to school....and learns.

 

Frazier generally failed to stop his more durable opponents and Usyk has been in with guys like AJ and Gassiev who appear to be bigger punchers than Frazier so a stoppage by Frazier is not likely.

 

Is this Frazier after FOTC? The opening post wasn't exactly clear. Peak Frazier might be toughest matchup for Usyk in the 70s, but after FOTC, he's not the same animal. I could certainly see Usyk beating the Frazier that fought Ron Stander, for example.

 

Not necessarily agreeing with same but there are whispers that Usyk isn’t ideally resilient to body shots...and Frazier knew a thing or two about punishing the body...

Joe hit very hard - perhaps an attribute that has now become a bit underrated.

Joe doesn’t have to hit as hard an AJ or the like.

Not if he’s applying the pressure and making consistent, up close and personal connections to head/body as he did in fights 1 and 3 vs Ali.

Frazier hurt Ali worse and more often than other, bigger punchers that Ali faced.

Joe was also the only fighter to drop 70s super chinned Ali on his ass in the FOTC, and Frazoer nearly did same 4 rounds prior to the 15th round - in the unforgettable 11th round

Unless Usyk elected to stifle Joe as Ali did in fight 2, he’s going to have a hard time keeping Joe at bay and off him.

This isn’t nostalgia, Joe was before I became cognisant of boxing - it’s just simply that prime Frazier was an absolute beast - and just off prime Frazier wasn’t too shabby either.

 

Explain how I'm wrong then