Fraziers Hook vs Rockys right.

mcvey · Feb 21, 2018

GlaukosTheHammer said: ↑

It is to me sad that every conversation regarding Marciano comes down to size, but the history if size along with the science be it anatomy, kinesiology, or even simple physics, is assumed in most of these conversations.

I don't want to make enemies on all sides here but the honest truth is even when I agree with someone's point I can't say I agree with how they got there.

You can't simply say X is good and big so X wins. You can't even say X is good and big and good at fighting big so X wins. Look at Fury, or Wilder. Just purely from a styles standpoint that take center stage and pose while leaning forward works into Marciano's game. Marciano's game accounts for him being the smaller man and the larger man using basic big man tactics. Basic not because it's simple or easy but because it's what's used most often. What I said about Wilder taking center ring and leaning in is true about Foreman and Vitali too isn't it? That's what I mean by basic, been used since Primo at least. Staple. Anyway my point isn't that Rocky has an answer for size but rather an answer for specific issues size differences cause and if the big man has no other gear how can one say the big man wins blindly because of size?

Because of history? Science? I'd challenge any to prove it. I like to think I'm pretty damn well up on the past three hundred years, and the science behind the physics of the human body is literally my job so I know I'm good there. It's an assumed advantage, nothing more.

I'm not saying it's fair to say Rocky wins by negating size either, but let's get past size long enough to make a logical argument for how each would actually go about using the size difference to their advantage because without it you've just as much argument for a big man being stretched out and KO'd as you do the big fella keeping him back.

As far as the power comment goes, are you ****ing ******ed? 925 ft-lbs to the dome means death. Rocky carried death, no hyperbole, no exaggeration, no fan bull****, straight up army measured death. Being 6'6" 285lbs doesn't save you from 925 on a knuckle anymore than it does 383 on a bullet. 383 would be your standard police issue sidearm, Marciano makes it look a *****. If you're going to say size, again even to claim it nerfs power, it has to come with a technical explanation. Not just gee guy X was really good doe and a whole lot bigger den him doe. How he particularly moved is particularly important.

Line fighters, big men who can't pivot, no chance in hell. Posture fighters, men who take up dangerous position to offer dangerous posture, no way in hell.

Honestly how Ike took it to Tua is how a big man beats Marciano. Take advantage of being naturally better at Rocco's best gifts. Push him around, get small and tight, stay on him, and hit that mother ****er with a brick every chance you get. Not all of them can do that, not all of them get a blind easy pass just because Marciano is a LHW today. He had a skill set, and science nor history support the idea of blind sizeism.
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Flash24 · Feb 21, 2018

Competition is the difference, both punches could hurt a fighter. But Frazier's hook was showcased against bigger, younger fighters like Ali,Terrell, Mathis,Quarry, one great,rest very good all in or close to their primes. while Marciano's overhead right was showcased against J.Louis, A.Moore J.Walcock,E,Charles, all excellent or above average fighters at one time , but all were clearly past prime. But I'd rather take a chance walking down a street at night in Mogasdishu in the early nineties than being hit by either of them.

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