Frazier's Private Thoughts

Tbh I wouldn't even favor him over Marciano. Frazier would rip him apart. Tyson would be a Massacre!

 

Mike would have been a nightmare for Deontay.

I mean, I feel a little guilty, because I want Deontay to change. I want him to be the best. But he has just GOT to start either listening to his trainer or start listening to SOMEONE who knows a lot about boxing basics.

Without a great left jab, Deontay might end up permanently a contender. With one, sky's the limit. At this point yeah, I can see Marciano, Louis, Holmes, Holy, Wlad (perhaps Vitali), Bowe, Liston, Ali (of course), Foreman, Frazier...heck, the whole heavy HOOD beating him. He just doesn't have the movement or jab. Just having a terrifying right hand and pretty-damn-impressive left hook ain't gonna make him a great or even good champion imo.

 

Let Deontay come back roaring after this humiliating defeat...TKO ing or outright knocking Fury out...THEN we are looking at the man closest to ATG out of all the current heavies.

 

That's actually a good point. Look how far he came without the basics. Imagine if he took the time to perfect the craft. No doubt he'd be up there with Tyson, Frazier, etc.

 

I meant someone as literal shot as Williams was, unfortunately all rising fighters must step over a few stone's along the way.

 

Seems I read somewhere that Cleveland Williams, after being shot in the stomach by the state trooper (the muscle lining of his stomach literally stopping the bullet btw) he really needed the payday and that’s how that fight came about.

 

Its really simple- Frazier was willing to die in order to win and Wilder and Fury arent cut from that cloth.
Dont care how tall Fury is or how much he weighs Fury isnt willing to pay the price like Joe would.

 

I remember that the surgeon had to remove part of his intestine, he was shot by a .357 Magnum. His management paid for the hospital stay, but later reminded Williams that they did pay for the stay in the hospital, prior to his Nov 14 1966 title bout against Muhammad Ali. The Texas State Trooper and Williams made personal amends prior to the fight, even gave him tickets to the fight.

 

Dave Gorman was Donald's manager from the day he turned pro. Dave was another of boxings good guys

 

Yeah I remember Choklab using this as some sort of evidence that Williams wasn't shot at the time.

 

That was a very narrow definition.

I don't know if Joe would consider him as a challenger the same year he had four other defenses. What I do know is that Ali never held on to the title for two years defending only against guys on the level of Daniels and Stander. If we are to compare the standards they set for their title challenges, that is.

 

Or maybe he made a point of the quality of Joe's challenger...

 

You must not know Chok . He defends Frazier's defenses to Daniels and Stander to death.

 

Frazier is the epitome of going out on your sword, heart, courage etc but lets not cast too much shade on Fury. Getting off the floor after that immense flooring against Wilder and regaining control in next no time is one of the great moments in boxing - ever.

Just because no-one has been able to hammer him over a sustained period doesn't mean he wouldn't respond positively to it.

 

Agreed. Only a handful of men would've gotten up from that and most of them would get stopped shortly thereafter.