Freddie Roach believes Wlad hits harder than Tyson

You're absolutely right...Tyson was a freak of nature with his unique brand of combining blazing speed and tremendous power for his size.

But Wlad is a stronger man and has a more power.

What made Tyson's shots so devistating was that he would hit his opponents with shots that they wouldn't see because of the height, speed, and the angle in which the punch was landed. These punches seemed so much more devistating because it was hitting "relaxed" tissue, hence a more dramatic effect.

 

:good I just hate when people think size means everything, look at Valuev for christ sakes, he's like 7'0 325 and when Haye was at Cruiser had a good bit more pop than him. It's a combination of things that give you that power, your weight is just one aspect of the equation and when you take into consideration that most lack handspeed at that size, so it really doesn't matter as much as some may think.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.............:good

 

Unfortunatly no-ones taken reading of heavyweights power over the years so there's no way to verify one way or the other. The one punch theory also weighs heavly on the placement of the punch, the fact he was wearing lighter gloves and average opponent being what, 190lbs?

Like I said before, get Tyson/Marciano/Klitchko to hit a stationary target I'll take the big guy anyday.

 

I agree...and to add to your post...you have to look at technique also.:good

 

Fair enough, but I'd say Lewis & Wladimir have the same right hand power. I think the new improved Wladimir is very "tough" also.

 

Again, I'd say Lennox & Wladimir have equal power in their right hands.

 

Wlad is physically stronger, but when it comes to overall power I'm not so sure. I do agree Wlad's size helps a bit, but Tyson's hands were much faster. I look at it like this, Wlad's putting more weight behind his punches, but Tyson's punchers are coming in faster. So I really cant say who has more one punch power, because we seen both men knockout guys with one punch, especially during Tyson's second career, where he didn't have the blazing speed he used to and relied on that one punch more.

All in all, I dont know who had more one punch power, but if it came down to it. I would say Tyson's left hook is more of damaging punch, than Wlad's straight right. Just my opinion though.

 

Would you agree Shavers had more power in one punch than Wlad?

The only point I was trying to make was, size doesn't mean nearly as much some people think. Wlad is an extremely powerful big man, but I wouldn't say he's more powerful than Tyson because he's bigger than him.

 

Right now, yes. Prime for Prime, no. How would he know, he got the worse version of Tyson. He sure likes all this attention. First he won't give him a job and now he is telling fans Vlad hits harder. Who is training Pac?

 

I think Wlad's right hand is at least comparable to Lewis', dont know if it's more powerful though.

As far as toughness goes, we really haven't seen Wlad in a tough fight since Peter, which many would say Wlad deserved mixed reviews for. Considering he did hit the canvas 3 times, and looked very fragile in that fight when things got tough in there. Though people should give him credit for surviving and getting the close victory. Time will tell wether will see Wlad's true colors again, but I'm praying he gets tested soon.

 

Most definitely, give me a guy 160 who knows how to step into his punches and I will bet he hits with more power than a guy 300 that just wings his punches. Look at Julian Jackson, the guy was knockout freak at and around that weight. I would bet alot of money he hits every bit as hard as some cruiserweights and even a fe heavies. I remember watching a small documentary on punching power on an old tape from like 1990, it featured Jackson and I remember most boxing trainers saying that power like his came naturally, that he was born with the ability to put such force into those punches, which I believe to an extent.

I remember my brother being like 200 pounds, while I was only 165 pounds a couple years back, we both boxed and knew how to sit on our punches. I remember my dad, who use to box when he was younger, telling me I had the heavier hands. I asked him how could I possibly have more power, when he's a couple weight classes ahead of me? He told me I had the faster hands and that I naturally had the snap at the end of my punch that my brother didn't. So I do believe power can come naturally to a fighter, but theirs alot more to it than that, and as you as you made mention, technique is a big factor as well.

 

I always find it hard to compare one era to another. Training techniques have changed slightly/a lot depending on where you train but advances in nutrition has been a huge step. I.E If you take any boxer from 50yrs+ ago and bring them up-to-date would they be stronger, faster, fitter etc The obvious answer is yes, all areas of athletic sport has improved in every way over the years and this is why I say it's only reasonable to assume power is one of those things.

Look at the 70's and compare it to today.
Every world record regarding strength, speed, endurance, etc has been beaten, some completely smashed, and this is happening almost every couple of years now. This is the main basis for what I'm saying.

Take Marciano's average opponent for example, 5'11"-6' - 190lbs (ish). Compare that to Wlads average opponent, 6'2 - 230lbs (ish).
Do you feel Marciano would have the same KO% in his career if he'd fought an average opponent 40lbs heavier and 2-3 inches taller?

 

You make very good points, and I do agree athletes are stronger and faster now. Though I feel that Steroids have been a big reason for this in many sports, and now the truth is begining to come out in the news. We do know more about nutrition now and working out, than we did 50 years ago. So yes, physically athletes are better now than before.

I think on the flip-side to this, I feel athletes now more for the most part are mentally weaker. They rely now on their physical strengths and dont nearly fight as often and make more money than athletes of yester year. I dont see Wlad as a particulary tough champion, while I think everyone can agree fighters like Ali, Louis, and Marciano were.

 

I think Tysons punches were obviously very hard but his main advantage was he threw them quick enough where the opponent didnt see them coming or were frozen by fear.Wlad has the leverage advantage because of his size so his punches probably have more speed on impact.Its like a baseball pitcher at 5ft10 compared to one at 6ft6.The shorter man might look like he's throwing harder but the radar gun tells a different story.