Freddie Roach believes Wlad hits harder than Tyson

Agree with all of this. I think the money todays fighters make factors in massively with your 'heart' point, they've got it too damn good. Good post.

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say fighters are more stronger or faster now then the past. Yes, steriods is a problem, but I am sure not all are taking it. SRR would be SRR yesterday and today. Power and speed are natural gifts. Either you have them or you don't. Yes, you can work on some power and speed, but not like just say Tyson. Everything else I agree with.

 

Yes they do, thats why I would pick most fasters from the past, over fighters from today. If you gave me the choice to work with a kid that has talent, but no mental toughness or a kid that has no talent, but a ton of mental toughness. I want the kid with the mental toughness, he could be taught most of the skills he will need to compete, but mental toughness is not just something you can get in weeks or even months, you either have it or you dont.

 

Yes, but SSR's prime was in the 80's, thats not that long ago in the scope of things. I'm not saying he did, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was on something during his comeback in the mid 80's.

I do think both power and speed could be taught, but you also have naturals like Tyson and RJJ who are just born with it, and when their skills were honed through training, there was noone in the world that could do what they did in the ring. It was almost magical in a sense, they were the Jordan's of there sport during their respective primes.

 

I see what your saying, but even the most dominant big pitcher of all-time Randy Johnson who was 6'10 220, could not compete with the average sized pitcher in Nolan Ryan who was 6'1-6'2 195 pounds, who is the strikeout king and probably one of the fastest throwing pitchers to ever pick up a baseball regulary threw at over 100 mph, and owns many of the strikeout records that I can assure you will never broken, or at least not for sometime. He is one of the few pitchers in major league baseball to throw in 4 seperate decades, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's.

 

Agree. By the way, I meant SRR/Robinson. SSR is someone you and I made up.:yep:yep....but yes, you are talking about SRL/Leonard. Good post. Also, athletic ability with great timing can at times counter speed and power. Some will disagree. Check out the 24/7 for Holt and Bradley thread, good stuff.

 

Has Roach been punched in the head by Tyson,revived a week later and punched again by Wlad and tell lived to tell?
Then he should STFU.

 

vlad i think hits harder then tyson shot for shot, i could be wrong though. look at the botha fight, mikes down on the cards then BAMM, one right hand sends botha into dream land. vlad had to beat his ass for 8 rounds to do this, lennox also put him out with an early right.

As for vlad power vs lennox's, no there not equal, lennox is the visibly more powerful puncher, hell im not sure if you can even make a compelling case for vlad here. dont get wrong, dude can pop, just not like lennox.

 

atsch Sometimes I read things to fast and make mistakes, SRR should be a top 3 ATG on anyones list no doubt, he was amazingly talented fighter that could find in any generation and be dominant.

I will check out the 24/7 on Holt/Bradley, that should be agood fight.:good

 

I am going to throw my two cents in here as well. I worked as strength and conditioning coach for Kermit Cintron, Julian Letterlough, Jeremy Stauffer, Tarvis Simms, Travis Kauffman, and Hasim Rahman. Tarvis and Travis had the fastest hands, and were the best combination punchers, but lacked in pure punching power. Out of Julian (lightheavy) Kermit (welter) Hasim (heavy) and Jeremy (lightheavy) the hardest puncher was without doubt Jeremy Stauffer. He had the rare combination of both heavy hands, and great handspeed. The one thing they all shared was that they were natural punchers. It's a god given ability much in the same manner that some guys can run fast, jump high, or throw fast. Punching power.. real punching power can not be manufactured. In my experience it has nothing to do with a guys physique. Now if a guy has the natural ability to punch hard you can increase that power through strength training, and through teaching proper punch mechanics, but you can not manufacture a knockout punch. I will also share another example with you. I was asked once about working with Teddy Reid a few years back. He visited my house, and brought some sparring footage in which he dropped 2 heavyweights in sparring. He dropped each guy with a single right hand while wearing 18oz gloves, and of course headgear. What was more amazing is the one guy he hit on the forehead and still dropped the guy like he had been shot. For those of you that don't know Teddy Reid... he fought between 140-154.

 

Cant argue with that,Nolan Ryan was a freak of nature at his size to throw that hard.J.R.Richardson though might have thrown slightly harder but his career wasnt as long or as acomplished.Sorry to get off track with baseball but thought it would be good comparison.Back to boxing

 

Yes, I remember him.

 

Baseball is a good comparison. I just dont think size matters as much as some suggest. Like I pointed out with Ryan, he wasn't a big pitcher by any means, but he would still out throw the best big men to throw a ball, in Randy Johnson. Size does matter to an extent, but so does speed, conditioning, proper mechanics, training, etc... Size is just one aspect, but as I pointed out a average sized pitcher could throw just as hard if not harder than a huge pitcher.

 

tyson farts harder than vlad punches.