Freddie Roach "if Manny slips in camp hes done"

Roach wont pull Pacquiao out.

The decline is so gradual most of the time, the trainers themselves subconciously ignore it.

Its in a real fight with real 8oz gloves that the decline is most visible and seen by the trained eye.

Roach is more likely to let Pacquiao get short circuited one more time before he tells him, "I think its over Manny!"

 

Thought this was going to be about Pac and his ego. I'd be more impressed with Roach if he actually said I'm walking if he doesn't show me the respect he showed me when I picked the little ****er up when he was a nobody. All that **** Roach was saying prior to the Marquez fight about he used to like it when he was in charge ( of his own gym ). What the **** is that all about.

If Roach had anything about him he should nipped that **** in the bud along time ago and if Pac didn't like it then he knows where the door is and take the clingon's with ya, especially his best mate bubble butt or whatever the **** his name is.

Roach used to have that kind of ethos when it came to him training and especially in his gym, he was renowned for it. Last 5 years or so, or should I say the more successful Pac got the more Roach let his fighter take charge... big mistake, IMO it made Roach look like a right ****.

 

You're talking nonsense. Pacquiao getting beat has nothing to do with Roach taking or not taking charge of a camp.

The whole camp, including Freddie Roach got used to getting ready for a specific style. A stationary slow guy incapable of cutting and getting the better angles.

Pacquiao's style shines if the opponent is right there and stationary. When the opponent is not, the flaws show.

Condition wise though, Pacquiao always shows himself in shape and ready for the full 12. No laxing there.

 

I really don't like Roach much. The guy is to relaxed at certain things (Pac's leechers, training JCC Jr. at his house like he's on call, etc) when he shouldn't be relaxed.... Then on things where he knows nothing and should shut up.. Example - Says Pac lifting is a bunch of BS, Pac gets knocked down by marquez the first time, then gets knocked out. Not saying weight lifting would keep him on his feet, Swarzenegger would have been knocked out by that Marquez hook (I think JMM trains with Arnold and if he doesn't he *could be in his old stash) but Pac didn't look nearly as strong.
Roach should seriously retire soon IMO. Even in the corner he doesn't give much advice these days.

 

Attaboy, blame it all on ****roach!

 

Only a roach will survive a nuclear war.....................

 

When a fighter starts calling the shots and the trainer has got no control of his own gym. It shows, and I wasn't saying that's why he got beat off Marquez, my point was it sure as hell doesn't look great and history tells us when a fighter gets too big for his boots and starts surrounding himself with clingons and the trainer isn't calling the shots any more it shows.

Tyson and Naz were prime examples of this. So you're chatting ****.

 

****ing Roach actually saying that he used to like it when he was in charge... and then you look at the state of the in fighting and bitching in team Pac. Doesn't take a genius to realize that it's not exactly the best situation for the fighter or the trainer.

 

Pacquiao has always been surrounded by childhood friends and clinger on's!
Only when the fighter gets beat do people like yourself point the finger at them and offer them excuses for things going bad.

The only difference between Bradley, Marquez, as opposed to the rest of the competition Pacquiao beat was that the former was'nt stationary and there to be hit.

Dont start pointing the finger and offer excuses for things allready going on in Pacquiao's camp when things were going good.

What the hell proof do you have Roach was'nt calling the shots?

It was Roach's decision not to go with Ariza's strenghth and conditioning routine for fight 4 when Pacquiao got thoroughly outoboxed in fight 3.
Tell me how thats not taking charge??????

Recently they just fired Ariza deciding they dont need to pay Ariza for stretching Pacquiao.

That Pacquiao does his own thing and does'nt play it strictly by Roach's rules, he's always done that.
He took a weekend off and campaigned for an idiot democrat in Nevada right in the midst of training for Margarito.
Pacquiao went on to pulverize Margarito and put him blind in one eye.

Roach not in control? Think again!
Manny will always be Manny, but he knows himself to be "inshape" and always is for his fights.

 

The first obvious sign of decline was the Moseley fight
He couldn't finish off that old bum

Yes Moseley made mayweather do the chicken dance, but any good puncher will
****, hatton did


PAC shoulda retired when he realised may would never fight him

 

Who every fought Pacquiao the way Mosley did, just plain running???

Beside Mosley, the only fighter to consistently backtrack on Pacquiao that Pacquiao beat was Cotto, and Pacquiao looked frustrated chasing him.

The only reason Pacquiao was able to stop Cotto was Cotto's track record of weakening down the stretch of fights.

Pacquiao won just about every round against Mosley, just could'nt hit him at will because Mosley was'nt there to be hit.

When Marquez boxed the pants off of Pacquiao in fight 2, *******s said as far back as then that Pacquiao was in decline.
He was'nt in decline, Marquez just did'nt offer a stationary target. :deal

 

Marquez lost the 2nd fight cleanly

He's a great match p for manny, but he lost

Pacs been in decline for a while, which makes sense because speed goes first

Floyd and Marquez aged better because of their style

 

Not according to ringside experts or fans, so there's no use in arguing whats fact!

 

What about the same oscar and cotto that gave floyd trouble and movement? Pac destroyed these same fighters and dont talk about catch weights because floyd is the catch weight king.