Freddie Roach: "Oscar Was A Slow Learner"

So Roach has to qualify every thought he has on why Oscar was "a slower Learner" ?

Some people are just analyical types, and as such need to know how everything works, so they can do something the right way.

Manny and Oscar learn differently. Oscar was close to beating Floyd. You see what i did there huh:hey yeah i fed some dickheads a line so they would take the bait hook line and sinker.

Its not about what Freddy says. Some folk just like to get upset over every little thing that comes out of certain peoples mouths,wether its in context or not.:deal

 

Always felt that Oscar was perhaps pressured to fight the prototypical Mexican style when he leaned towards the hit-and-don't-get-hit type style. He ultimately had no choice but to change his style when he went up in weight to 147 and 154 when his height and reach advantages weren't as advantageous as it were in the lower weights.

 

That was wrong, but

 

Overrated = Gold Medalist? Not even fukin floyd could do that.
Overrated = outboxing p4p #1 Pernell Whitaker before Oscar even peaked
Overated = making legendary Trinidad look foolish
Overated = takin on ALL COMERS and narrowly losing to just Mosley 1
Overated = passing prime ATG Roy Jones on the P4P list at one time

:roll:

oscar is everything he's made out to be. An amazing boxer with grit, heart and talent who hit like a heavy at lightweight, KOing his first 15-20 fights like Tyson was.

 

atsch

 

His boxing skills are vastly overrated by the likes of yourself.

History has him pegged correctly however, which is why boxing historians dont rank DLH above real skilled fighters like Duran, Arguello, Chavez, etc......
Hell, DLH does'nt even rank with some of his generation like JMM, MAB and Morales, all three who were vastly better boxers than DLH!. :deal

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Agree with this many people dont give Oscar the credit he deserves because he lost some big fights but he never backed out of one. He is a gold medalist, a 6 division weight Champion and the 2 losses on his record to Manny and Floyd are past his prime. I agree that Pacquiao and Mayweather are better than him but at 147 in his prime he would have given them both a better fight maybe winning both and imo he should be around top 50 ATG in any list

 

Yea, Chavez is #1 yet strangely a young, pre-prime oscar ate him for lunch twice and made him quit. Chavez was undeated for years prior to this so save the washed up bit. May not have been prime but was still active and undefeated with exception of the narrow loss to Randall. Matter of fact Chavez was till KOing most of his opponents till he ran into the wall called De La Hoya.

 

If DLH was such a good boxer, he'd have the confidence to grant rematches to those that beat or even troubled him.

The only fighter he ever gave a rematch to was when he made Mosley climb up to 154 lbs after Mosley had twice lost to Vernon Forrest.


Where was the confidence to grant rematches to Quartey, immediate rematch after having lost to Mosley at 147 lbs, Tito, and how about an immediate 3rd fight with Mosley which Mosley was game for but DLH was not?????????????????????????



DLH had boxistical limitations which he himself knew all about.

 

CHavez had lost to Randall but you call him undefeated when he fought DLH?:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

No need to rehash or even debate about the first Chavez-DLH fight.

Fact.....First jab of the night, Chavez is gushing blood above the eye from a cut that was already there before the first punch was thrown.
That my friend is fact, the rest does'nt matter! deal:deal

DLH then has the audacity to make a Fat Chavez go up to welter to fight him there over 2 years later.

The one thing I agree with Freddie Roach with is his opinion that a prime Chavez would have chopped up any version of DLH!:deal


Hey hey, lets put the next fighter who beats up a great past his prime up on a pedestal and call him the best ever!:nut

 

You've gotta be fukin kidding. Tito was the only one Oscar was interested in but no way did Tito have any right to demand for 60-40, which he did pricing him out of it.
Quartey had nothing to do with Oscar's legacy he was after. Why would the champ rematch a guy he just beat when there are bigger money fights after? Quartey lost his chance. Champs don't rematch a challenger when there's bigger names and bigger money fights up the road.

I don't remember the specifics with Mosley rematch but Oscar was clearly beaten for the first and only time. Wasn't that around the time Oscar was following a music career and took time off after? Actually I remember Arum sayin oscar was focusing on his music during that fight and stupidly overlooked Mosley. But yea, instead of giving oscar props for that rematch, lets hate him for not doing it right away.
BTW, that rematch happened because Mosley was always stalking De La Hoya's whole career. Oscar moved up in weight and Mosley followed him once again lusting after Oscar's fame.

 

HAHAHA blame the cut that was so called caused in training. Ya right. Big deal, Chavez was a warrior and still got smashed all over the ring. A little blood had nothing to do with it. Randal was chavez's only loss 2 years prior to Oscar! Chavez was like 89-1. Walking through everyone by KO until oscar.

 

it's possible. do people realize how many trainers oscar has been with? sometimes too many teachers can start to be detrimental to a fighter. all that stuff just gets all mixed up in the head and doesn't come across as the smartest person either.

 

Oscar should've never left Alcazar

 

you really think that was the trainer or he just happened to be in his prime. i'm not even saying that as a dlh fan. i can't stand the phony *******.