Freddie Roach ruminates on MMA fighters' boxing abilities

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  1. Theonlyone

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    Roach explains some of the key differences between striking in MMA and boxing and why the styles must be adapted depending on the venue.


    http://content.usatoday.com/communi...h-reflects-on-mma-fighters-boxing-abilities/1

    When it comes to teaching mixed martial artists how to use their hands, it's all about distance, in the view of boxing ubertrainer Freddie Roach. He tells HDNet's Ron Kruck:
    "Definitely, the biggest thing is to get them to be more comfortable being closer to their opponent. In boxing, they can't use their legs for kicks and they don't need that room that they might when they are using the legs. ...
    "I have to take into consideration that they may be kicked in their fights and so forth. That's why I ask a lot of questions and I learn as we go.
    "It's like bobbing and weaving in MMA. It's really not the best move in the world to make for an MMA fighter. And I didn't realize that at first, because I forgot about the knees."
    Roach also gives his take on four of the world's best MMA fighters:
    • BJ Penn: "Great guy. I think he's one of the best strikers I've ever worked with. He can really punch."
    • Anderson Silva: "I couldn't figure him out completely at first. In the gym, he probably goes 30 to 40%. He's just getting his timing, getting his thing going. ...
    "Then I watch him on TV and I say, 'You know what? That's a whole different guy.' Now he's getting his A-game. He's giving 100% on the TV fight. I see him measure people, set things up.
    "He's a very intelligent guy. He knows distance, he knows where his comfort zone is."
    • Georges St. Pierre: "I'd like to work with him, though, because he's a talented guy. He's a very intelligent fighter. "
    • Fedor Emelianenko: "I would like to work with him. His balance isn't that good. He's flat-footed a lot. He's kind of easy to box if you use in-and-out or side-to-side motion.
    "He can be outboxed, but the thing is, he's such a good puncher -- you've got to be careful with that. ... He's one of the most complete fighters out there."
    Roach believes that his current superstar, Manny Pacquiao, would have the best chance of any boxer to do well in MMA because of his speed. Conversely, Roach still believes the MMA fighter most associated with him, Andrei Arlovski, could be a successful heavyweight boxer.
    But Roach sees a brighter future for MMA in the long run.
    "I think the boxing promoters have really lost sight of entertaining the people," Roach tells Kruck. "You get a good main event, but then the undercard is crap because they don't want to spend the money."
     
  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I've noticed Andre Winner and a Marcus Davis begin to bob and weave to great effect. People used to think that body punching was compeltely redundant in MMA but it is now becoming so effective. The same will happen to bob and weave. Fighters will realise they can bob and weave and naturally change levels so they could easily transition into a takedown. It's just about practicing to implement it and then slowly fighters will embrace it.

    Edgar, Couture and others slip like crazy when facing good strikers. They aren't worried about their balance being compromised. They deal with what is happening and can do so because they've practiced it so now they can implement it effectively.
     
  3. Theonlyone

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    Bobbing and weaving may or may not work depending on your opponent and his game plan.
     
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    Exactly but you have to have it in your repetoire. It's about being complete, dynamic and executing your gameplan. However there are many skills to be incorporated on a regular basis. Dynamic kicks and body punching are but two general skills that are becoming much more standard amongst talented fighters.
     
  5. Theonlyone

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    I think the point of the article is that many boxers watching MMA end up with a false impression about what constitutes good stand-up defense because they're not considering the alternative factors involved. Roach himself admitted that he wasn't even thinking about knees and kicks when he was analyzing these aforementioned MMA fighters. I understand that it may have been in a boxing/sparring setting but that MMA positioning and strategy becomes ingrained in you as an MMA fighter.
     
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    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I'm simply commenting on the evolution of MMA.
     
  7. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only alternative factor that a great boxer would need to be concerned with are WRESTLING and low kicks.

    Low Kicks and defense can be learned quickly. Wrestling takes a great deal of time.

    But if Couture for instance wasn't so scared to try and actually fight Toney, you would see how effective James Toney's standup would be.
     
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    Learning something in theory isn't the same as being effective at it. Couture did fight Toney, he just didn't fight according to Toney's terms. Fat boy had his chance at Kimbo in stand-up and he didn't want it. He wanted a wrestler who wasn't a good striker. He wanted what HE thought would be the easy road. He wanted a wrestler and bitched when he got wrestled to the ground. I wish that Dana gave him Brock. We'd see who was scared then. He'd make Toney look like a black Pillsbury dough boy.
     
  9. T.S.

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    I respect Roach but I remember him saying Arlovski would KILL Fedor if they went toe to toe. They did and Fedor knocked out Arlovski out cold with one punch...
     
  10. Theonlyone

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    I thought about that too, he did also say that Fedor's power is always a danger. That's what they call a puncher's chance.
     
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  12. achillesthegreat

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    If Arlovski don't get ko'd he is really good but its hard to fight if your heart and mind are broken. Lennox Lewis got ko'd but never fought like he had, same with Tommy Hearns. It's what allowed them to be so great despite setbacks.
     
  13. Two of the best, biggest, and deadliest punchers in MMA use the same Sambo type technique. I think Freddie is a top trainer and a genuine combat sport fan but somehow I think that his knowledge of MMA is far inferior to the USSR/Russia's top Military and Special Forces guys who created Sambo specifically combining the different martial arts forms in an integrated package and used in real world combat and unarmed situations.

    Sambo striking takes into account the lack or minimal glove sizes, kicks, wrestling and grappling. Fedor trains differently under his boxing coach to his actual fight.

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  14. DyserthSpartan

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    anyone would get ko'd if they tried a ****ing stupid flying knee when they have there man backed up in a corner. arlovski should have stuck to boxing fatty fedor and he'd have won
     


  15. Look at the slow motions, Fedor didnt really get tagged by AA. Ive seen flying knees many times in MT, some dont work and some do..........hardly any KO's after flying knees though. Simply put Fedor is a great striker who has great timing and a powerful punch.