Freddie Roach sounds like he doesn't want Pacquiao to use combinations.......wtf

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  1. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Literally.

    It's the craziest thing. I heard him say it once, and I thought he was being facetious. But, I just watched another interview and he is being 100% real.

    He doesn't think Manny should throw more than a 2 punch combination.....



    Mayweather likes to counter 1 or 2 shots. He doesn't like to counter more than that. When more than 2 shots is thrown up, he'll actually cover up with the high guard and walk back.


    Is this Roach trying to get Mayweather to think their gameplan is something that it's not? Because if their plan is to go in and remove one of Pacquiao's biggest attributes (his ability to throw 8+ punch combos) then they are going to lose.

    Mayweather has shown an ability to counter 1 or 2 fast shots. He hasn't shown ability to counter 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 shots.

    Please, someone tell me this isn't going to happen.
     
  2. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    I'm not taking anything serious that I hear from either camp right now. It's all mind games and strategy at this point.
     
  3. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    Precisely
     
  4. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I REALLY hope you're right because this sounds like an AWFUL game plan. I hope Roach isn't overthinking this fight.
     
  5. icebergisonfire

    icebergisonfire Floyd F*ckin Mayweather! Full Member

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    ROACH.DOESN'T.KNOW.HOW.TO.PLAN.FOR.FLOYD.

    His best chance was with Oscar.

    If you were to create a fighter like in Fight Night to beat a virtual Mayweather, Manny possesses next to none of the qualities that you would pick to do the deed. That's where our confidence comes from. Jab? Not there with authority. Footwork, Manny has fast feet and many times, he doesn't really move with purpose. Floyd knows where he is at in a ring at all times. Size? Floyd is bigger. Reach? Floyd has him there too. Timing? No one is better than Floyd at this. Boxing stance? Southpaw vs Orthodox, I'd pick an Orthodox boxer to make Floyd work to get his right hand going. A southpaw is automatically open to the right hand and if Chris Algeiri can get his right hand to Manny and Tim Bradley can pull a right hand from the fukking mat on multiple occasions, you better believe the person with the best right hand in the business will do it. Fighting in the pocket? Manny ain't bout that life. Manny is going to try to keep this fight at mid-range with some lateral movement because he is a rhythm fighter, dart in, dart out. He's going to catch some left hooks for his troubles though. That's my guess on gameplan. So, honestly, it's not that I like to discredit Manny by putting him down and all his accomplishments or whatever, but, there is always the saying, styles makes fight and for the life of me, I can't see this being competitive because of the aforementioned things. Strip away the names and everything I said, you would have to come to the same conclusion that if you knew what troubled a boxer, as we have 47 fights to see it, his future opponent doesn't do next to any of those things. So, if and when you continue to see Floyd fans as dismissive of this fight, most of us are because of what I just said. Now, the unexpected can always happen, but if both show up at their best, what I've written should be what takes place on May 2nd. A comfortable Floyd victory. I've said a few times that Manny is an ATG, this just isn't the fight for him though.
     
  6. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    if pac tried to throw "7,8,9 LMFAO punch combos" he is going to get laid the phuck out. when he throws his combos the first few are good but anything after 3 are useless against Floyd and they will instantly realize that.

    when was the last time pac threw more than a 4 punch combo that was 4 legit shots ? usually they are sloppy after the first 2,3 shots. he isn't some machine guys, he is pretty fast when throwing multiple shots BUT Floyd is way faster with his clean 1 and 2 crisp shots and way faster in his transition which is just as important as timing.

    add in his transition, his timing and his brain and Floyd is going to land clealy and put on a show. I just don't know what his body really has left at 38 yrs old. 5/2 will tell us everything. by round 3 all will be clear
     
  7. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    both camps must have their people here on ESB and both must be playing boxing_master's mind games in the media
     
  8. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Uhm, did you watch the Timothy Bradley fight? He threw a 14 and 10 punch combination. The 10 punch combination, as Bradley said, hurt him bad and "the lights were flickering".

    Also, Bradley disagrees about the decline in quality of punches as he throws more and more in a combo. Bradley actually said Pac is the only fighter he's ever faced when every punch in the combo is fast and hard. Usually, he said, either the first or the last punch is the hardest. Pac is the only guy he's been in the ring with where every punch is just as hard as the first. "It's f***** crazy man".

    Everytime I've seen a fighter throw more than 4 punches in a sequence against Floyd, he covers up. Completely. He goes into a defensive shell and will throw up the high guard and walk straight back into the ropes. I can point to Judah, Ortiz, Mosley, Corley, as examples.

    And yeah, by round 3 we will know everything. Agreed.
     
  9. Mr_Harry

    Mr_Harry Guest

    the way things are going roach can be a liability for pac he is losing his mind
     
  10. Bradley addressed this. He said that w/ Pac, every combination thrown had serious pop behind every punch...

    To quote Timmeh:

    "The lights were frickering!"

    :rofl
     
  11. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah pac needs to just be himself in the ring.
     
  12. zeavic

    zeavic Active Member Full Member

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  13. Mr_Harry

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    roach has already lost It he is trying to make pac think that's not the way pac fights roach is ****ing this whole thing up man I swear
     
  14. Anima

    Anima Kinetic Link Full Member

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    If you have a plan against your opponent would you reveal it to media? Lol

    Come on!
     
  15. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was never gameplan that won fights for Manny anyway, it was raw ability.

    This version of Floyd will make errors and Manny will make him pay.