Freddie Roach: "This could be our last fight" ~ Listen In

I ain't buying it...probably publicity to sell the Clottey fight, or to try and create a "pacquaio sweepstakes" if he does "retire", which will obviously force Mayweather to consider the 50/50 again and a cutoff for blood testing.

 

my thoughts exactly

 

Based on your demands, Manny's reputation could never be restored. How would one go about meeting this burden of proof? Unlimited clean random blood test results speak nothing to whether or not an athlete has ever used PEDs at some point in their career. Those that are inclined to believe so will maintain that Pacquiao used PEDs previously and only cleaned up for the sake of whatever new tests he consents to.

I will admit that on first blush, refusing to consent to the random blood testing with no cutoff gives the impression that they have something to hide. However, looking further into the issue, Manny himself (not his camp) has been very consistent in his position. He doesn't like giving blood because he feels weakened. The combination of testing he did agree to is comprehensive and would detect any of the known PEDs. The Mayweather's understand this and simply want the psychological leverage gained by forcing Pac to submit to a procedure he believes will harm his chances in the fight.

 

Thread title is misleading. He said if the Mayweather fight doesn't come along, this could be their last fight. Nice job leaving out important parts of the quote.

 

No it won't

 

Has Conte's expert opinion changed anyone's mind on whether or not Pacquiao is using steroids? It should, because a steroid user would certainly not submit to unlimited random urine tests. Sadly, there are still plenty of folks that cling to the idea that Pac's performances are obviously the result of juicing.

As for using EPO or other blood doping, please explain how a fighter could use these methods to elevate red blood cell count to benefit them during the fight, but drop them back to a normal level in time for the post-fight blood test.

 

Great post...your insight and angle regarding this situation is right on point in my opinion.

 

Your analysis is very simplistic.


If agencies applied your reasoning to try and catch modern-day bio-engineering, no one would ever get caught.

 

Not sure what part you take issue with. I haven't argued for no testing. I do believe that the combination of testing that Pacquiao agreed to covers all the known PEDs sufficiently.

If by "modern-day bio-engineering" you are talking about novel compounds that are not yet widely known, how would more blood or urine tests discover these substances? In order to identify them, the lab would need to have a standard containing the novel drug. This is precisely why "The Clear" was undetectable. That stuff still shows up in your **** (like all other steroids), but if the lab doesn't know what it is, it doesn't trigger a positive. Now that they know the compound, a standard has been developed so it's no longer undetectable.

 

They already said that before, Roach is only reminding people who forgot.

 

You're stuck in the 90's.

 

Rarely anyone ever gets caught. Most of those who are caught and it's a VERY small number (By the USADA reports) have NOT been caught doping for Roids or PEDs but for THC....not really a performance enhancer. They had a nice piece on radom drug testing by the USADA on HBO w/ Bryant Gumble. It was very enlightening. THe USADA main stance on their exsistance is based on the "detering" factor to scare athletes to avoid doping.

 

superstar fighters usually have to get beaten out of the sport. when one of them nears retirement i always hope they will hang them up at the right time, but they just never do.

even if mayweather beats mosely and pac, he will still end up getting his ass kicked, because he will stay around too long

mosely will stay around until some young lion gives him a beating

pacquio will probably do the same thing.

That's just what happens in boxing. It's extremely rare for a superstar, elite fighter to go out on top.

Look at Roy Jones. If he had retired after Ruiz, there are people who would put him above Ray Robinson, but that didn't happen did it?

 

The odds of Pac retiring for good is very slim.

I can only think of Barry Sanders as the only major athlete that retired while still in his prime and never to came back.

 

Jim Brown!:smoke