Freddie Steele versus James Toney?

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  1. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney. But I love that old footage. :thumbsup
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post GA, you certainly know much more about Steele than myself, he's certainly a great puncher with beautiful combination although he did look a little 'straight up' for my liking though. While not being an out and out come forward fighter, he still wouldn't use the lateral movement that could trouble Toney, I just see Toney landing the cleaner blows plus there are some similiraties with Apostolli (not sure if Steele was prime for that though)
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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  4. BCS8

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    Based on the short clips I've seen of Steele he could beat Toney. That said, we've seen Toney at his best and worst. It would be nice to have more footage of Steele to make a more honest evaluation.
     
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  5. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney at his best picks him apart
     
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  6. Seamus

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    The problem for Toney is that Steele will also be at his best. That's how these match-ups are presumed to go unless otherwise noted.

    Toney's propensity to take breaks and inability to fit into the middleweight limit comfortably would cost him against Steele. Also, Steele's footwork would be problematic for James. On the other hand, when Steele went into the pocket, he would have to limit his work and get out quickly. Otherwise, he could get a hard counter from James.

    I'm giving the edge to Steele.
     
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  7. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think this is an interesting matchup. I think Toney has a tendency to take rounds and/or portions of rounds of or where his workrate is decreased. I think that will open up some opportunities for Steele to take some rounds and contest other ones making them close. But I don’t think Steele’s style helps him but rather the counter puncher Toney.

    I think I would pick a Toney 7-5 decision or an 11th-12th round stoppage. Either way Toney takes this
     
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  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Definitely look up more on Steele if you can.

    He's the most under appreciated ATG, in comparison to his greatness in my opinion.

    Steele matured into his power (since he went pro at 14). He had the type of power that could dent even Toney.
     
  9. Senya13

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  10. Hannibal Barca

    Hannibal Barca Active Member Full Member

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    Always good to see an old thread with Burt Bienstock posts.
     
  11. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well put, Hannibal. Burt's class, as are you for writing that.
     
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  12. Flea Man

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    Steele in boxing mode wins handily IMO.
     
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  13. ray fritz

    ray fritz Active Member Full Member

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    Steele beat all types fighters,including Toney
     
  14. roughdiamond

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  15. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The film of Steele's fight with Lesnevich is as impressive as the Dundee fight
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