Freddie Steele vs Carlos Monzon 160 lbs, Who U got ?

You do know that Briscoe fought and ko'ed Vinales right after that in a rematch...before he challenged Monzon. Briscoe was of the old school...getting a rematch right away to avenge a defeat...unlike the example of so many fighters since then...tripping all over themselves to avoid fighting the best, never mind avenging a defeat in a timely manner. of course to you, that defeat already stigmatized Briscoe, didn't it?

 

Agreed, Steele is severely underrated his style and demeanor is similar to Monzon just pure assassin no emotion but more athletic. I have read about him and almost forgot about this all time great. Looking at his record of 123W 5L and 11Draw with 58 KO's his resume is one of the most impressive in the division history. Damn it is literally littered with the who's who of the middleweights of the time. His final 3 losses of his career were in his last 6 fights of his career which meant he had a record of 120-3 fighting killers like Babe Risko, Gorilla Jones, Gus Lesnevich, Vince Dundee, Fred Apostoli, Ceferino Garcia, Solly Krieger, and was caught cold by the murderous punching Al Hostak in his 2nd to last fight dropped 4 times in the first and the ref stopped it. There aren't enough videos of him but what you can see is a fighter that should be an all time top 5 middleweight and IMO is good enough to beat any middleweight in history with the one probable exception being Greb and maybe SRR. He beats Monzon in a chess match his athleticism is the difference. From what you can see on video he hit alot harder than his -50% KO percentage suggests.

 

I met Freddie Steele as a young kid. He had the biggest restaurant in West Port, WA. It is a fishing charter town on the Pacific coast. I was there with my grandfather and his friend, all of us were Salmon fishing the next morning. This was 1978 or so. My grandfather introduced me, and he shook my hand. He had a pretty young gal on each arm. I remember he had a bit of a tick, I imagine from the punches. Seemed a pretty happy old guy. Back in the day (the 30"s) Freddie Steele, was the box office draw in the Seattle area. Boxing was a big thing out here. Oh Yeh...I'm taking Freddie Steele to decision Monzon.

 

Germanicus, did you ever run into Al Holstak? He lived down in Georgetown and White Center.

 

Georgetown and White Center? Seamus, you from around here too? Not many out of towners know about Rat City.....

 

No Seamus...Never met Al Hostak. My Grandfather did talk to me about the Freddie Steele/Al Hostak fight held in 1938 in Seattle though. Drew 38,000 fans to the old Memorial Stadium.

I did meet George Chemeres, who was an Northwest boxing trainer. He was associated with the old time fight manager Jack Hurley, who had managed Harry 'Kid' Matthews and many others. Also met an opponent of Larry Holmes (pre-title) Ibar Arrington, he was a tough punching local (Everett, Wa) heavyweight.

And yeh...Georgetown and especially White Center are pretty ****py areas of Seattle metro.

 

Georgetown is trying now, anyway.........there's more artist's lofts now where there used to be abandoned warehouses and they have a couple real good brewpubs. They're trying to make it a hipster haven.

But yeah, White Center's a sh/thole.

 

Back when I was hanging in Georgetown (mid-90's) it was just one big roving crackhouse... I don't think I would even recognize it any longer. Ah, the good old days.

Monzon W15 Steele

 

Steele is the more talented fighter and heavier hitter in addition to having the greater MW legacy and ranking higher in an all time sense. I would have to favor him over Carlos. Steele's footwork, the speed and lateral movement, would be a big factor i just can't envision Monzon being able to control things from long range because if it.

Steele HL

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I don't think anyone of note would rank Steele over Monzon. And to say that Steele hit harder than Carlos did (at least pre-shooting) is tenuous at best. There is no style which Freddie would bring that Carlos had not seen and beat before. 14 years, 14 very busy years, of being undefeated is not merely a fluke accident.

 

Bloody excellent post!!!!!:good

 

Hostak was a force of nature Many years ago B I had an article about him." I Couldn't Stop My Fists That Night".

 

Those "very busy" years and his dominance during them weigh heavily for Monzon's legacy don't they? Prior to 1967 how many meaningful fights did he have? Fernandez, Selpas, Salinas not very many. Over a decade From 1967-77 he went 56-0-3 compared to Steele's 42-0-1-1 NC in just four years at middleweight prior to his fractured breastbone and retirement.

Steele was more busy during his 12 year career (123-5-11), more busy during his prime run at MW, was more dominant doing it considering the greater frequency and most importantly he did it against superior opposition. I could care less what "anyone of note" has to say on the matter and consider their definition of dominance quite puzzling. I can formulate my own opinion and it should be rather evident to anybody objectively looking at their careers that Steele deserves to be ranked more highly.

lol and tell me who are these opponents that Monzon mastered and beat who resembled Steele, let alone were of the same quality?

 

I've always been very impressed by the footage of Steele, and felt he was very underrated. I'll give Monzon a close 7 to 5 victory, but would expect Monzon to drop one fight in a three fight series.