Fritz Sdunek on Vitali vs Foreman, Tyson, Ali

If Lewis was younger, he would have ended VK very quickly. Golota-esque. Ok maybe not that quickly, but he would have done the job.

I dont wanna start the whole Lewis/Vitali thing again, Lewis won. End of.
The one decent fighter Vitali fought, beat him and then retired. You cant argue with that.

How would Tyson look if he LOST to Holmes?
or if Holmes lost to Ali?
or if Ali lost to Liston?
They would be shredded, Tyson especially.

 

-To be fair, most of those were after Vitali was fighting with one eye.

-I also think that fight helped make Vitali who he is today. That wasn't a lesson you could replicate in a gym, and Lewis' experience was a huge difference maker.

-I agree that Lewis' size was very helpful also, Adamek has a great right hand that ended up hitting Vitali's shoulder most of the night no matter how well it was timed.

 

If Frazier, Liston and Foreman couldnt beat Ali at his own game, i dont fancy the chances of Vitali. And they were bigger bad asses than he could ever wish to be.

Vitali is bigger than Douglas and Holyfield, but he boxes nothing like them.
Frazier is smaller than Foreman. Frazier went 15 with Ali, Foreman got KTFO.
Explain that?
Tua is smaller than Vitali, lasted the distance with Lewis, Hell, an OLD Tyson, 15 years past his best, 3 years in prison, part time boxer, lasted longer against Lewis than a prime Vitali. And Tyson, too is smaller than Vitali. Holyfield is smaller than Vitali, he lasted longer than Vitali...twice.

Since Klit fans love talking about SIZE.
Where was Vitalis "Size" when Lewis was pasting his face with tomato puree?

Bonecrusher Smith hugged Tyson for 12 rounds because he knew he ahd no chance of beating him.
Tyson beat the **** out of Ruddock for 12 rounds. He already KOd him before, so he had nothing to prove, he also had a **** case on his mind at the time.
Tyson was very green when he fought Tillis, Tillis was an experience journeymen and so was Mitch Green. What if they fought him 2 years later when he was reaching his peak?
Tony Tucker at his peak was a fine fighter, he also had a better skillset than VK. He also danced for 12 rounds.
The guys who stood in front of Tyson got knocked out. Berbick, Bruno, Tubbs etc

If Vitali couldnt stop Byrd who got KTFO by Ike. And he couldnt stop "glass chinned" Lennox (who got KTFO by Mcall/Rahman) hows he going to stop Tyson????

Tony Tucker and Bruno gave Lewis better fights than Vitali did.

Vitalis greatest moment is coming second place to Lennox Lewis when they fought.
Vitalis power is very overated, Lewis boxed cautiously against Tyson, kept him at bay. Because he was wary of his power. Yet against Vitali, he threw caution to the wind?

Somehow this Vitali clown is going to beat the greatest of all time. I dont think so.
Compare Alis performance against Liston.
Holmes against Alis.
Tyson against Holmes.
Willards against Johnson
Dempsey against Willard
Marciano against Louis.
And then Vitalis against Lewis.

Spot the weakest link

 

So your post is full of excuses . How many times did you watch Ali fight ? he fought less than ordinary men (at least considering that prime McCall was a journeyman limited one trick pony glorified sparing partner and Tua was a fat bum) .
Chuvalo was not anywhere near McCall , Bonavena was not anywhere near Tua , and Lyle was .. yes , a poor man's Ross Puritty.
Foreman did not fight Ali in his own game , neither did Frazier of course . How many of the fights u mentioned did u watch ?
Doug Jones was a very good lightheavy , top 20 all time most probably , that is being harsh with him. But for a big heavyweight to get that sort of humiliation from him ? and then the Henry Cooper case .. (Ali was saved by smelling salts and Cooper's defected skin) Ali was quite crap , slightly better than Holmes , yes , tough in his "post prime" years , yes , very dirty - yes again , but crap nonetheless . Ali is not the greatest heavyweight nor the greatest fighter of all time and is not even close to any of these . Any idiot claiming these must regard Cooper and Jones as both great heavyweights and great fighters , very great actually.

 

Vitali/Ali would be the Kevin Johnson fight except Ali would be fighting back. I can't see anything other than an Ali points win or stoppage on cuts.

 

Congratulations, you didnt answer a single one of my posts. They werent excuses, every single on of those was a fact.

Yes i have watched Alis fights.
Put on one scale how many fights Vitali will be remembered for and on the other side, how many Ali will be remembered for and theres your answer.

Mcall = 1 trick pony. But guess what, he did something Vitali couldnt. He beat Lennox Lewis. :good

Tua = fat bum who went 12 rounds with Lennox. Vitali is an even bigger bum, who despite his "SIZE" advantage, got his face shredded by Lennox Lewis.

Why are you comparing Alis opponents to Lennoxs? Mcall and Tua were LL opponents, is it because Vitali doesnt have any credible opponents.....that he actually beat?

Foreman couldnt beat Ali, Liston couldnt, Shavers couldnt, Lyle couldnt, and Vitali Klitschko certainly wouldnt

How many fights did Ali have under his belt when he fought Doug Jones? So what if he had problems in that fight? He went on to beat Patterson, Terrell, Chuvalo, Bonavena, Frazier, Ellis, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Young, Norton, Liston and many more.

Lyle a poor mans Ross Purrity? You may as well log off and pack your bags and go on a permanent holiday, away from ESB preferably.
Peopel still talk about Lyle today, who the **** even knows who Ross Purrity is? 50 years from now people will talk about Lyle, hardly anyone will mention Purrity.

Ali beat Cooper twice. Enough said.
If Ali is crap.....what does that make Vitali? who has an L next to the only 2 decent fighters he fought.

Vitali couldnt even stop featherfisted Kevin Johnson (Who?) I said Kevin Johnson.
Since Vitali turned pro, the best heavyweights were Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, WK, Byrd, Ruiz, Valuev and James Toney, how many of those did he fight/beat?

 

Vitali stopped Corrie Sanders , Sam Peters , Juan Carlos Gomez , Kirk Johnson , Danny Williams , Herbie Hide and Obed Sullivan , all of which were decent fighters by the time he stopped them.
Even Arreola might be added as such by the time he fought Vitali.
Notice I omitted a few other decent and above fighters such as Orlin Norris , Ross Puritty and Cleveland Woods which I don't consider Vitali's outcomes against them as telling or relevant.
Vitali is 40 , you give him hard time for failing to stop younger men , Ali couldn't even stop a lightheavy and a thumbed borderline bum (!) , he went 45 excruciating rounds with Kenny Norton , enough said , but there is much more .
Do you doubt Vitali's ability to beat James Toney or John Ruiz ? and you do know damn well why he didn't fight Wladimir , yet you did mention them above . I would have replaced James Toney with Jameel McCline Ruiz with Rahman , at least it would have been harder for me to explain.
McCall had his fare share of 1 tricks , and Tua was the hardest hitting and most resilient and best conditioned fat bums I have ever seen , read or heard about .
If you watched Ali's fights u would have known that his only 2 legitimate wins were Bonavena & Lyle , and both of these chins were proven as about avergae prior & post. Ali's entire record = gift decisions & helpful refereeing .
Ross Puritty beat Tommy Morison , Joe Hipp in their own game and stopped Wladimir Klitschko . And then he went 12 rounds with Corrie Sanders in which he wasn't in a danger the entire 36 minutes . 1 can wonder what he would have achieved if he had 2 more rounds against Rahman and others , or if we still were in the 15 rounds era.
Prime Puritty would have never been seriously hurt by Ali .

 

Decent yes, in the same league as Frazier, Liston, Foreman, No.

Arreola is a fat turd.

Cleveland who? Orlin Norris? the guy who Tyson knocked out in one round?

And how did Vitali do against Kenny Norton?

Ali was never known to be hard puncher, Vitali is supposed to be the one with super punching power, yet he still could KO glass jawed Lennox Lewis. However, Ali did KO Sonny Liston and George Foreman :hi:

Beating someone and fantasising about beating someone are 2 seperate things. The fact is, he didnt fight them and he didnt beat them. He had ample oppurtunity though.

Mcall beat Lennox, Tua lasted 12 with Lennox. Vitali did neither, what does say about Vitali?

Aah right, so Alis whole career was gift decisions, and only 2 of his wins are legit, now your getting really desperate.

Ross Purrity never beat Morrison! what the **** are you talking about? it was a draw. Joe Hipp sucks anyway. And by the way Joe Hipp/Tommy Morrison are NOT Muhammad Ali. And so what if Purrity stopped WK, theres nothing special about stopping a guy with a glass jaw, especially one who was knocked out 3 times.

Vitali wasnt in danger? what happened in the first round then?

No he wouldnt be hurt, he would just be outclassed and chased out of the building.
Prime Purrity is the funniest thing ive ever heard in my life.
Explain me this, if the mother****er was that good, why does he have 20 losses?????? Ross Purrity lost to every single decent fighter he fought (like Vitali) And somehow this clown is going to beat Ali?

 

Very hard to compare era's but I lived the 70's and there were no fighters like the Klitschko's around, in present form they would have made an imprint. I could not be certain who would win but experience helps and I would say Vitali would be a tough challenge for Ali or Foreman because of his size,strength, stamina,chin...Foreman never fought anyone like Vitali and neither did Ali but other than Lewis who did Vitali face at their level....no one really knows

 

Im not saying he wouldnt be tough, but its the clowns who say hes the great of all time that get on my tits.

As i showed the idiot above, Ali wouldnt be able to hurt Ross Purrity?

If thats not delusional than what is

 

these klitchkos goat threads do my head in as well. there good fighters and they have dismantled alot of low class bums, so who is too say what they would do foreman,ali,louis,frazier,holmes,tyson,bowe.

 

It took Vitali 10 rounds to knock out a overrated cruiserweight in Adamek but he would beat Foreman? Yeah if Foreman was 101 and Vitali was allowed to bring a shot gun into the ring. Tyson would of jumped on him and stopped him. Ali would of cut him up and stopped him.

I could see Vitali beating the Buster Douglas that fought Lou Savarese though.

 

Corrie Sanders > Sonny Liston , his resume says so.

who could fight and take lots of punishment

Norris redislocated his knee after going down from a punch after the bell , hence why it is listed as a NC instead of a LKO .
X-ray scans approved this.

what ?

Ali benefited both from a cheat and a hot day vs Foreman , Liston dislocated his shoulder in fight #1 , and threw fight #2 either due to the maffia or due to the Muslim brothers or maybe even another reason , but Liston was far from great and even removed from his prime in fight #2 anyway .
Why is Vitali supposed to have super punching power ? because of his chronic shoulder injury that prevents him from throwing hooks ? because he has to punch down so it has to be arm punches ?
Ali was crap and couldn't even punch as hard as Vitali.

Right , Vitali ducked James Toney , John Ruiz and his brother .

That he has a tendency to cut :yep

you just don't know history , do you ?

Just rewatched it today. Bonavena beat Frazier and Puritty beat Morison .

Joe Hipp was a dangerous opponent whose biggest weakness was his tendency to cut & swell.

One of those 3 times was to Puritty himself , another 1 to a man Puritty lasted 12 competitive rounds against without being in danger.

You replied about the claim about Puritty vs Sanders .

Most of these losses are due to lack of preparations due to lack of investment in Puritty by his management and due to the fact that he very rarely got 12 rounders and even very few 10 rounders.
2 of his stoppages losses were due to cuts , do your homework prior to disrespecting one of the best fighters of the sport's true golden HW era.
I find it extremely hard to post today , ESB is unusable ! I barely posted this and the previous 1 and couldn't post in the biggest turd thread

 

Listons resume is head and shoulders above Sanders. And if they did fight, Liston would remove Sanders head, from his shoulders

He went down from a tyson punch in the first round, either way, torn knee or not, he wasnt getting up. and if he could take so much punishment, why did he only last one round with tyson?

Yes, Ali cheated his whole career. Thats why, worldwide, he is regarded as the greatest of all time. Even ****ing Vitali himself would admit that.

Because he couldnt knock out glass jawed Lennox Lewis or former MW Chrs Byrd, or Kevin Johnson, or even Arreola, yhet somehow he will beat Muhammd Ali.

He Knocked out Foreman and Liston. :hi:

No he fought Danny Williams and Chris Arreola.

So do a lot of fighters. Get over it.

Your a clown and this thread proved it.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Joe Hipp is/was a nobody, stop bigging up nobodies. In fact, you may as well have just described Henry Cooper, yes the same Cooper, you were mocking earlier on.

Purrity has 20 losses, he lost to every single decent fighter he fought.

No, watch Vitali vs Sanders first round, Vitali was doing the chicken dance. Yet you claim Vitali went the whole fight without any danger...

20 losses! 20 losses cannot be blamed on poor maqnagement/ lack of preapartions, thats just a reflection of how good Purity was (not very)

In his own mind.

Your right, this thread is the bigget turd, anything which compares a fighter like Vitali to Ali, the Greatest Of All Time, is pure turd

 

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I'm hoping to see Vitali KO Haye next.