Froch beat Taylor because he's more skilled.

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Froch is not great by any means and needs a lot of refining himself, but it is a huge myth when people say Taylor can box.

    The man relies on speed and athleticism. When he can't overpower his opponent, he's lost.

    Look at his fight with Spinks. Look at his fight with Ouma and with Winky and with Pavlik.

    He's very ordinary, but you can't count him out because of his speed, power, and reflexes.
     
  2. TheUnstoppable

    TheUnstoppable Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What precisely do you refer to when you use the word 'athleticism', or are you just saying that cause he turns up with a 6 pack and nicely developed muscles?
     
  3. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    No, his speed, power, compact punches, and reflexes.

    Froch had a six pack too.
     
  4. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    #1 JT has skills. Thar is not debatable. For JT to fight guys that are more skilled than him...guys like Wink, spinks and nard. And compete, win rounds ect says emphatically that JT has boxing skills.

    #2 JT isn't that fast and not that powerful. He has decent reflexes but JT got to the top by his athletic ability and skills. He lacks a mental edge that the greats embody. He lacks the stamina necessary to go 12 full rounds and he is missing what Carl has a lot of which is the determination and composure og a champion.

    Jt is not lacking in the skills dept. That is where Carl is lacking.
     
  5. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Athleitism is agility and coordination a fighter has. The ability to move well in the ring while keeping their center of gravity or balance.

    Speed, reflexes and power are natural physical gifts. Not athletic coordination.
     
  6. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    The only thing you got right is speed, Taylor does not have good power and his reflexes while good are nothing special. The way he punches can be atributed to skill, rather than swinging wildly and leaving himself open like Froch. Just because Taylor is more skilled does not make him the better fighter.
     
  7. pudding

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    In the history of eastside boxing, has there ever been a dumber thread?
     
  8. Vengeance

    Vengeance Certified Headhunter Full Member

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    While I agree with you, quick reflexes and handspeed are not skills, they are talents... but it still doesn't change the fact that Taylor is more skilled. Froch's strengths as a fighter include his power, his supposed iron chin, and his great stamina. None of these are skills either.

    Taylor is better at throwing combinations, better at setting up other punches with his jab, better defensively, better footwork, better sense of distance and timing, throws straighter punches, doesn't throw wide loopy punches like the sometimes-amaterish looking Froch. Taylor is obviously more skilled. Anyone who has watched either fighter knows this. Skills don't always win you the fight though, as guys like Froch and Margarito will attest to this.
     
  9. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    If your gonna talk about "who gives a fu34.." than why did you start the freakin thread in the 1st place...You go all over when you post man you needa stay on 1 view of a fight and keep it at that..you dont know much as I can see in your posts!
     
  10. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    Axe man is a complete joke...You should know that by now!:lol:
     
  11. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    So basically, you never seen Taylor fight because when he's not the aggressor, he's horrible with this.

    I mean, do you even see the man fight?

    The guy is figity as hell in there, doesn't have a particularly good stance for what he's trying to be, and basically dictates or loses fights based on his athletic ability and whether or not he's able to force the fight.
     
  12. Scar

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    If Froch is more skilled he wouldn't have been behind by FOUR points going in the 12th.
     
  13. Hrivera007

    Hrivera007 New Member Full Member

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    After wasting 20 minutes of my life that I will never get back, I realized that I am dumber and dumfounded after reading this thread. Axe man, you dont have a clue...skill has nothing to do with perseverance. By your way of thinking, Taylor has better boxing "skills" than Hopkins, since Hopkins lost the fights. And Margarito is a better boxer than Cotto. And Cotto has better boxing skills than Shane Mosley since Mosley lost. And Mayorga is the best of them all since he beat Forrest.

    Froch won the last 2 or 3 rounds because Taylor gased out, end of story. Had Taylor jumped on his bike for the last 3 rounds, he would it won the fight easy. Taylor didnt finish Froch when he had the chance, simply cause he is not a finisher. You are born with that instinct. Froch looked confused in the beggining, he looked amaterurish. But he stayed in the fight.

    Froch persevered, he was in better condition, he was mentally stronger, he wanted it more. Those are not skills, thats heart.
     
  14. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    See, the thing is, ya'll mother ****ers don't really understand what good is.

    That why I see thread after thread talkin about straight up and down hands up, come off the asembly line JuanMa, when all that mother ****er really has is speed, size, power, and sharpness.

    His style is assembly line ****. I mean, as soon as the mother ****er steps up and faces a guy that can either box and punch a little or a straight puncher with more size, that mother ****er is gonna be face first on the canvas, but ya'll mother ****ers dont' know **** about styles.

    You just judge fighters based on some kind of gay intagible where you feel emotionally attached to that particular fighter, but the fact is, none of ya'll have disputed me.

    But I think the reason is because none of ya'll really know what the **** ya'll are talkin about, probably cuz ya'll were taught the same, straight up and down, hands up boxing technique that most mother ****ers are taught.

    Fact is, Taylor isn't completely orthadox but he fights like a tall man, and is unable to adjust.

    He throws his jab out there, is figity as hell in there because of his nerves more than likely, and has no idea what to do when his opponent is putting pressure on him.

    Have you ever seen Taylor counterpunch with much effectiveness without getting hit or seeming like it's completely reflexisive?

    I mean, the mother ****er is constantly out of position. Do you not see how squared up he gets when pushed to the ropes?

    Ya'll are obviously on someone's dick.......and that's the difference......I dont' get on mother ****ers dicks.

    So if ya'll wanna be on Pavlik's dick cuz he beat the supposedly great can't box worht a **** Taylor, or Taylor's dick cuz he got beat by Pavlik, then be on a mother ****in dick.

    That's alright with me cuz I don't give a ****, as I ain't rushin to get on any mother ****ers dick till the day I die.......

    And Froch ain't particularly skilled, he needs to refine his style dramatically, and even then his lack of athleticsm will let him down, but Taylor won't beat ANYONE at 168 that is at the top of the divison.

    MARK MY WORDS.....

    TAYLOR WILL NOT BEAT ANYONE AT 168 worth a ****, and would PROBABLY lose to Andrade.

    So look at like this, Taylor is faster, better reflexes than Pavlik, Andrade, and Froch, yet he will lose to all of them.

    The mother ****er could fight Pavlik 8 times, and he wouldn't learn a damn thing. Boxing IQ is what makes skill.........

    Ya'll mother ****ers stick to your gay **** though......cuz I ain't invited......cuz that shits gay....
     
  15. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Scar, you know that was bull****, but I know you're gonna dick ride the mother ****er cuz you fall in love with men......the evidence is there, so what's the point of me tryin to argue with you?

    You won't understand where I'm comin from anyway because I would have to show you in the ring.

    Everyone looks like a damn genius when they bet on Floyd.....know what I'm sayin?