Froch beat Taylor because he's more skilled.

Shut the **** up....No one agrees with the garbage you're trying to say...Taylor is more skilled than Froch...PERIOD! Deal with it punk *****!:yep

As you can see no one agrees with you so you typed out a long dried out post like its going to sway other opinion...Shut the **** up already

Do us a favor and KILL YOUSELF!

 

Overall, I think Taylor's got excellent skills, but it's not as if his execution is perfect, either- he wastes too much energy early in fights by not fighting more relaxed and having too much unnecessary movement, he shows poor punch selection and pacing when an opportunity to finish arises, and he's a "round counter". Those aren't things that many consider skills in the context of fighting in the gym, but they're absolutely skills that can determine the outcome of a fight. Because they're attributes that can be worked and improved upon, those sorts of things really should be considered "skills".

Froch showed tremendous skill in those areas, particularly in sealing the deal when Jermain got hurt and he sensed an opening. He's one of the better finishers in the game today, much like Pavlik and Abraham in that regard.

 

Taylor has the prettier style.

But Froch has the more effective, exciting style.

 

All right i seem to hit a button, now I feel better after lossing those 20 minutes of my life.
First I never said anything about size. Second, skills is a factor to make you a great boxer but is not everything. If you are mentally strong and have a heart of a lion you can overcome almost anything in boxing. Not all tthe time, but it works alot of times. Take Zab judah, he got all the skills in the world, but he is mentally damaged, when his skills are matched and he needs to use his brains, he folds. Look I never said anything about heart. Zab is a warrior. Am talking about mental toughness, to stay focus and follow your fight plan.
Boxing is more complex than people think. Thats why we are 9 pages into this thread, and you still not grasping the concept.

But I know this, to be a great boxer you need the followin: Heart, skills, mentally strong and "great conditionig". Froch had the heart, conditioning and mental strenght. Taylor had the skills. Dont confuse'em

 

Not to get all philosophical on the matter, but to me, the very definition of mental strength is the ability to apply your skills in the face of adverse conditions, and as such, could be considered a skill in and of itself.

Or, I've been sipping too much Grand Marnier. I'll leave that open to interpretation.

 

The answer is real simple:

There are a few areas where Taylor does better: technique, combinations (puts his punches together better), counterpunching and quick sharp punches over all, head movement.

Froch has the advantage in the other areas but that is not skill:

chin, conditioning, determination and size.

Plain and simple as that.

 

Dude. You don't retain anything you read. No one is saying skills wouldn't allow a smaller man to compete with a bigger one. It has to do with where both are in terms of their level! Not everyone is operating on an Elite level. Froch and Jermain are very good boxers. Not great but good. Both men have certain qualities that allow them to perform at this level its just Froch has qualities that were more effective against the qualities JT was working with. Had JT been a rare talent like a Floyd Jr Froch wouldn't have had a chance! But both Jermain and Carl are pretty even...both have very different stykes but in terms of where they are in terms of level its fairly even. Similar to the bute vs Andrae match up. Except the superior boxer overcame the bigger, stronger foe (contreversially)

 

Taylor is even that good, so who gives a ****.

 

Nope, you are right, we are talking about the same thing, just in diferent ways. My point is, that when you combine all these factors you have a great all time boxer. Nor Taylor or Roch got all these atributes.

 

Ah, I gotcha. That's true. They each demonstrate strengths and weaknesses in different areas of skill and ability, but the finished package of each doesn't measure up to something dramatically better or worse than the other man in terms of effectiveness. Ideally, it's cases like that that produce good, evenly contested fights. Fair to say, that's about exactly what we got in this case.

Were either of them extraordinarily skilled in the gym sense and the fight sense in all regards compared to the other, someone would've been outclassed dramatically.

 

Actually, I DO agree with him. I had Froch all the way. Taylor proved fighting Pavlik (Okay, way before that if you want) that he can't take pressure. And Pavlik is not a good boxer. He's a straight forward power puncher.

Anyways, Taylor is at 168 to be a gatekeeper. Which is fine by me.

 

you've just proved my point! Thanks!:good

So to say that Froch won because he has better skills is rather false...Given that Pavlik and Froch both beat him due to pressure...Thats still doesnt mean that he's more skilled Taylor...Thats my whole point....Froch won due to his will to win...Not having more skills...if thats the case...Froch should have been a lot closer on the scorecards...He would have used his skills (as you guys claim) to off set taylor rythem instead of being a moving punching bag earlier....Froch would have found ways to negate Taylor movement, jab, and counterpunching if he was more skilled...it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that Taylor is ahead of him in the skills department...Heart and will may be another subject though.