Froch believes Bivol is part of the reason Ward retired

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why was Kovalev a better fighter? Who had he beaten? Faded Hopkins? Cleverly? Good wins no doubt but I struggle to ,make much of an argument for better.
    They are different fighters with different styles.
    Froch fought fighters with a style that I dont think Ward was interested to face, ie Ward wasnt interested in Bute, didnt fight Andre Dirrell who were fast 2 handed fighters. Ward decided against Degale who was also a fast 2 handed fighter (before the injury problems)

    I dont think Froch really wanted those fights either but think the Ward fight would have happened in Nottingham. With GGG I am not sure if Froch was being overly serious but dont think Froch was interested in boxing again after Groves 2
     
  2. bailey

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    We are talking Ward here. It is you bringing up Calzaghe because Wards career didnt get close to it
     
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    I hit LIKE for this post. I didnt realise how badly I had got to SissyBitch.
     
  4. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward is a dog, I think he could of won that tournament everywhere because no one of his fights were close he won all of them by UD. The only close one was the Froch one where two judges gave it 115-113 but I have a feeling those guys were tryna make it closer maybe Eddie slipped one of them an envelope cos he had it a draw going into the championship rounds.
     
  5. jmashyaka

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    Andre Dirrell left the competition when he drew Ward that’s not Wards fault. I said at that time Kovalev was undefeated and looking very dangerous and Froch struggled with Groves in both fights but his power and experience showed up. I’m comparing 2015 Kovalev and 2015 Froch not both in their primes. Prime for prime skill wise Kovalev is better but Resume Froch wins hands down.

    I agree he didn’t want to fight at that point and wasn’t really interested in avenging his loss. If you really believed you could beat someone you would concede on the negotiation table kinda like Kovalev did, which although it’s a stupid thing to do business wise it shows great belief in yourself.
     
  6. bailey

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    It was the British judge that was the wider score, the other 2 (not 1) had it closer.
    I saw a close fight. Had Ward winning but there was so many rounds where neither did much. It wasnt a schooling in say the Kessler/Andrade type way, just winning I felt, which is also all the opponent has to do.
    Ward may well have won. You would have to favour him over faded versions of Kessler and Froch but he didnt take the challenges they took. Kessler and Froch took bigger chances than anyone to start the Super 6. Who knows how Ward would have faired if having to travel so much and what effect that could have had if on the road in opponents back yards. We dont know because Ward didnt do that.
    Ward also didnt face a boxer mover and with Dirrell I dont think they had agreed a location or started training. Before Dirrell pulled out I seem to think I recall it being said by someone on Frochs then team that they dont think that fight will happen. Could be wrong with that but dont think so
     
  7. bailey

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    There was a poster who said before hand that that fight would never happen. Someone bumped it not so long ago.
    Ward and Dirrell hadnt agreed on a location. Thats both of them not just the one.
    You are comparing a even more faded version of Froch here with your comparisons I would note

    http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09...-no-word-about-whenif-this-fight-will-happen/


    Interesting they didnt have a location?
     
  8. DirtyOldTown

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    Froch is OBSESSED with Ward. He'll never get over being schooled.
     
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  9. Farmboxer

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    SOB beat Kessler by an illegal intentional headbutt that came across the ring, SOB's personal referee called it a TKO on a cut! SOB's referee let him headbutt, hold, elbow, etc., that's why SOB always fights with his own personal referee, judges, boxing commission, etc., SOB lost both Kovalev fights, the first by criminal judges the rematch by low blows...................the video is proof, but SOB fans refuse to watch the video, they don't know what a low blow is.....................SOB had to cheat to win, Kovalev knocked that cheat down, SOB held Kovalev's leg, kept holding, he was beaten, SOB, according to the rules of boxing should have been disqualified...................Golota was disqualified against Bowe two times, listen to Richard Steele about low blows, but SOB fans lies through their teeth!
     
  10. jmashyaka

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    Ward has faced a pure boxer in Dawson who was the unified LHW champ at the time, i won’t put it against him because Dirrell didn’t want the fight.

    I will put a strike against from a legacy stand point that he never travelled out of his country but we know he can do it coz he did for the olympics. Not to mention if those guys could have got a similar deal they would off. In terms of schedule they all fought each other and he beat everyone.
     
  11. Aussie Invader

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    see what I mean? :bananaride
     
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  13. Farmboxer

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    The only way SOB could beat Bivol is by cheating, that's SOB's strongest area, cheating! If SOB had to obey the rules of boxing he would have lost both fights, SOB is a liar and a cheat....................nothing but fecal matter..............I say flush SOB down the toilet and back into the sewer from which he came! Low blows they were and there is no way anyone can claim otherwise! It's as clear as day.............
     
  14. jmashyaka

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    It does get close, it’s a good argument though. Calzaghe arguably lost to Reid, whereas Ward arguably lost to Kovalev, we know who is better of the two. Ward cleared up his debateable decision whereas Calzaghe didn’t. Ward is a gold medalist, Calzaghe wasn’t. Ward conquered two division and beat whereas Calzaghe conquered one of them (I will concede Ward never took on Stevenson, Stieglitz and Bute. Bute should of entered the tournament and Stieglitz a nobody. I should of fought Stevenson though.