Froch: "Bute is out of the equation, really"

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  1. Escopeta

    Escopeta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    like i said two judges from Quebec and a dubious referee thats not actually fair. It was not a factor in that fight, Bute didn't need any help but if Johnson had won the fight they'd have found a way to take it away from him thats why i didn't want to do an avatar bet.. those judges and the ref were like an assurance but the case of damage just didn't occur. It was "just" Johnson, other fighters Froch Ward, Kessler etc they have a different market value, negotiations power, promoter backing etc they should be in a position to demand neutral officials and should actually be able to get it in Canada or wherever.
    I think fights should be made where the money is you know if theres some place a casino or whatever thats willing to pay a site fee big enough to even out the Montreal or Nottingham gate money i think no one aside from the local fans in Montreal or Nottingham would have any problem with that..
     
  2. GDG

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    Should Froch beat Ward, he will be less of an underdog against Bute than he was against Taylor, Abraham and Ward.

    What are you even talking about!?!?!
     
  3. Orbete

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    Fact 1: Bute is rated by all the boxing media and fans as a top 4 contender at SMW;
    Fact 2: Froch previously said that he will fight Bute after he beats Ward
    Fact 3: Froch has fought some fights where he was considered a slight underdog; he is considered to be cocky and a very confident fighter;
    Fact 4: Bute expressed on many ocasions his wish to fight the S6 winner;
    Fact 5: Bute beat Johnson better than Froch did;
    Fact 6: Despite 1-5 Froch says he will not face Bute because Bute isn't an elite fighter.

    1st Conclusion: Froch does not have the same level of confidence as he used to have when he is thinking of facing Bute. He is afraid of losing to Bute;
    2nd Conclusion: Froch is trash-talking so that he gets future negotiation leverage;
    3rd Conclusion: Froch is a mental ****** that lived in a cave for the past 3 years, without a TV and is one of the very, very few that think Bute is a fighter that will put him in a bad light because even a win will spoil his resume. He also hates money and think they are a tool of the Devil.
     
  4. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Froch really looks like an idiot

    if he stops Ward lol, Froch probably wont even stop Ward

    what if Froch loses to Ward than does Bute still have to stop Ward

    what a joke he talks up all this **** about Bute then avoids the fight and hides

    Bute not ready what a croc of **** why talk **** about a guy and then declare him ready

    Froch should give him is baptism by fire in the ring

    I like Froch and im rooting for him vs Ward got my tickets for AC and was also present and rooting for him vs Johnson but this is horse **** make the fight

    i mean i can understand wanting revenge on Kessler first he took your 0 and may not be around much longer

    but dont trash a guy then not fight him because hes not ready what the **** makes him the judge
     
  5. laffie

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    They didn't face the best of their division one after eachother. The number 2 was not invited. Period. Green was ****. Johsnon was ok. Abraham was ****. Taylor was shot. Froch had the toughest route while Ward had the easiest one, thanks to Dirrell's forfeit. Every fighter and professionnal analyst who talk about Bute think he's an excellent fighter, at least. They don't consult Boxrec to make their opinion, like you seem to do, they watch him fight.

    Froch is not ducking though. He may even be promoting an eventual fight against Bute. I wouldn't be surprised if both camps were pretty near an agreement to face each other after the super 6 final. Win or lose for Froch.
     
  6. mdionis

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    Actually, no. You should read again what Bute stated recently: I did not say he should accept! [to fight in Canada] Look for instance at Froch. He is British, he would probably like to fight at home, in London. I would like in Canada, in Montreal or Quebec. [If] we won't agree [on the meeting place], we will choose a neutral place and this [place] should be somewhere in America, normally. Of course, there is a reason for Froch declaration, but this reason has less to do with boxing: it's about interest, money, public, popularity, annoying the potential opponent. I don't think this declaration proves Froch being somehow affraid, it's just a part of his vocal pissing-oriented game.
    Should he avoid a match with Bute after S6 final, Froch would really look like an idiot after all the amount of trash talk he provided; fortunately for him, most fans have short-time memories.

    That's probably right; but Showtime had already to cope with other problems due to nasty incidents -> withdrawals. The fact stands: Pavlik and Bute were not invited.

    Erm... the current IBF SMW world champion?!
     
  7. PityTheFool

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    I thought we were having an informed and reasonable debate.Now you're just talking nonsense.Showing yourself up after doing OK.:patsch
     
  8. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  9. session9

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    Treading water with keep busy fights in your own back yard whilst calling out the participants in a tournament you were unwilling/afraid to enter is opportunistic at best, cowardly at worst. Froch probably thinks that Bute hasn't earned his shot. He's right.
     
  10. Orbete

    Orbete Active Member Full Member

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    Alergic to humor? For your information I find the last conclusion the less probable one and tend to give a real "chance" to the second one after reading some other opinions.
     
  11. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very well put.:good
     
  12. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry,but calling an excellent boxer a "mental ******" doesn't really appeal to my sense of humour.:think
     
  13. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    watch again Bute's fights against Bika,Miranda,Andrade,Brian Magee,Johnson and you'll see why word,kessler and froch are ducking him ( Bute ) ! It's easy to say that I'll "eat" Bute in the ring , but when Bute's promoter makes an offer to them , they say : we won't fight for peanuts :) ..... 1500.000 , 3000.000 $ aren't peanuts imo !! .... so, this is DUCKING & SCARE !!
     
  14. session9

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    Try "english" when using Google Translate in future, it might help.

    edit: sorry, that was unfair. As for your point...well, what is it? Froch is scared? Not Lucy-Sven But-ke, hiding in his home town beating up on has-been gatekeepers? Okay.
     
  15. Orbete

    Orbete Active Member Full Member

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    You should definitely reread my post. The conclusions I drew are not cumulative. It's a pity you decided that the third conclusion is the closest to truth. I for one never thought of it being true and expected the same from you.