Im stuck in two minds on who to pick due to Glen's age. I dont think Glen Johnson will have any problems tracking Froch down, infact I anticipate that Froch's Boxing on the backfoot wont work very effectively against Glen Johnson. Glen Johnon is like a pit-bull, he might look predictable in the way he goes about his business, but the man knows how to close that distance. Look at the trouble Tarver had keeping him out at range? Montell Griffin was a relatively slick fighter, yet he couldn't stop Glen Johnson finding his way inside, neither could Yusaf Mack, who whilst not being on the level of a Froch, is technically a much better fighter with more physical intangibles in terms of speed, athleticism imo. Allan Green has his limitations, but I'd venture to suggest he's quicker than Froch, has better technique, possibly has more power, possibly uses his legs better than Froch, now of coarse that's no barometer to say Froch wont beat Johnson, but I think it indicates that if fighters like Green, Griffin, Tarver, Mack had trouble keeping him out( at range), then how is someone with poor technique, who is relatively slow, doesn't have particularly great footwork to get away from the opponent in order to disengage them, going to keep him (Glen)out? Glen Johnson is a better inside fighter than Carl Froch imo, so when he gets inside, I reckon he will be more effective, not to say Froch cant be effective either, cause whilst I think his lack of technique exposes him defensively when he goes inside, he does have a lot of dog in him and will try not to let someone out-punch or dominate him, but as I say, Froch's technique gets him into trouble when inside imo, as he doesn't rotate his body enough into his hooks when inside, and because he tries to compensate for that by swinging wider to negate the fact he doesn't rotate into those hooks, his chin comes up in the air at times, and with Glen Johnson's short choppy right hand, could be a problem for him imo. I question whether Froch is going to be able to get away from Glen Johnson. I also think Glen will have his way with Froch on the inside. Glen is going to take away that long range imo, he's also going to take away Froch's opportunity to move because! of how he fights, which is to make you fight by putting it on you, and with Froch's poor footwork, tendency to slug, I question how effective he can be moving whilst maintaining range. I think if Froch does! want to use his legs, then he's going to have to be getting off first and then moving every-time Glen marches up to the spot, but that is going to take a lot of energy, because! Glen is going to be forcing him to do that by constantly trying to make the fight, and as I said before, with Froch's footwork, I can see him getting himself into vulnerable positions. I guess my reservations for Glen would be....... that he's a slow starter, so even though I dont think Froch is that effective on the backfoot, if Glen starts slow, and is not applying enough! pressure, Froch will be able to cope somewhat, and possibly win a couple/few early rounds, that said, Froch can only cope fighting on the backfoot when you're only applying methodical pressure(Kessler, AA) imo, that's when his lack of footwork & technique can be masked somewhat imo, but its when you apply intense pressure that it shows up imo. I said Glen will have his way inside, however I do think Froch might be able to hold his own inside, because Froch wont go defensive (like Mack, Griffin, Green)when Glen is getting off, he will fight fire with fire, which of coarse is dangerous, especially with his aforementioned poor technique when on the inside, but when you keep the opponent busy fending punches off, they generally aren't always able to throw back straight away, so Froch could potentially do this effectively to keep Glen playing defense, however as I said before, which ever way Froch fights, he's going to have to fight, possibly at a harder pace than he's comfortable with. Another thing I have to mention, how consistent can Glen be these days? cause even if he can get Froch where he wants him, fighting the fight he want him to fight, can he be consistent enough with his output? cause there were small signs in the Mack, Cloud fights where he was not as relentless as he used to be, and its not like Froch doesn't have a decent chin, that he doesn't have fairly good stamina himself, so him withstanding, whethering a mid fight storm by Glen, is not out of the question, that said, if Glen does win this fight, for me it will have to be by KO, so I guess it will come down to what he does with his window of opportunity when he drags Froch into the fight im anticipating he will. Glen has enough pop to hurt you, but does he have enough to KO Froch? probably yeah, although for some reason I cant imagine Froch getting knocked out, not saying it cant/wont happen, just cant picture it though, although I take the point, if Glen is grinding him down, chipping away at him...................then you never know I still dont know who to pick to be honest, I keep thinking Glen's age is what's going to tip the balance in Carl's favour, that and the fact Froch is pretty robust, busy, has a good chin himself, but then I think, but Glen is going to drag him into his kinda fight, and Glen is better inside than Froch, and Froch aint going to be able to get away from Glen unless Glen's activity slows down, but that might be the key I guess, if Glen's activity does slow, Froch will get respite, and wont have to fight the whole! fight at that pace, and if he's pinched a few early rounds, can weather a potential mid fight burst by Glen, can get threw that, then if Glen tires somewhat which could potentially give him the time/space he needs to move more, then I guess he could edge the decision out, tough call either way though, although I have a sneaky feeling for Froch.
My gut says Johnson. He'll get inside that jab and Froch will have trouble with his lanky frame. If Johnson takes a couple of bombs on the way in, Froch might knock him out. We don't know if Johnson can take em at 168 like he did at 175. But honestly, my money's on GJ
I personally cant see him taking Johnson out, infact I will be very! surprised if he does, although I guess it cant be ruled out given his age. I think at least one of the Hopkins KD's might of been legit, that one of the reasons he may have gone down, is that his punch resistance may not be what it was these days, so yeah I can see the age thing playing a factor in Glen's resistance, although personally, I cant envisage Froch taking him out. Glen Johnson seems to have an astute way of picking punches off with his right hand as he rolls foward.
This is a hard one for me. I am Froch fan but my Jamaican loyalties make me want to secretly support Johnson although I believe Froch vs Ward would be a better final. Johnson is way past it and he is just getting through his fights by being using his experience and old-maning these younger naive fighters but I am thinking Froch has found a new discipline in his game to just outbox him for 12 rounds. Also Froch has a great engine is not going to slow down and get worn down like Green. Froch UD!
To be fair, where was this skilled 'distance closing' and superb inside fighting against the likes of Cloud, Derrick Harmon, Omar Sheika Clinton Woods, Syd Vanderpool etc....? below - The same Dwyer who had Chad Dawson p4p number 2? :rofl Don't believe a word he says. He know just as much as you or I.
Dwyer from Gamblers advisory makes a great case for Johnson beating Froch [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NwlwgSRbKo[/ame]
it was there against Cloud. Not superb, but effective. Cloud to his credit has extremely fast hands and alot of explosiveness. Something Froch lacks. On the inside, you can use fast hand and explosiveness to flurry at your opponent, which is what Cloud did so often.
i actually think that Glen has more speed in his right hand than froch has in any of his punches. That is the punch Glen will have to land consistantly to win the fight. Glen will need to double up on the jab coming in cause one at a time wont get him close enough against a rangier fighter like froch. Froch is slow, but Glen is not a hard guy to find. Hes hard to hit flush, cause he deflects a lot but I think Froch could overpower him on the outside if Glen cant find sucess getting in. He should thought because Frosh is not elusive. Tough fight to call, but I could see Glen getting to him in the later rounds if he is not drained and getting a close decision win.
Cloud is ****. See Zuniga for more details Yeah cos Clinton Woods or DJFLUMPINGTON no brain Cloud couldnt deal with it. The man is 88 and looks like a dried up Rasin, he aint fighting no gutless yank Green this time Mother****er. And you can take that to the Bank.
if johnson starts typically slow then froch will set the pace and unsettle glen,i think froch's power can not be underestimated,his power and his use of range and stiff jabs to the body and head will do him well,and i think he will look to move like he did vs abraham and have johnson at distance having to circle and get inside,where froch can still do well,with his solid chin and power i think froch can do fine on the inside,he has very good uppercuts. i think froch will look to land hard sharp body head combinations from range and then move and repeat at a fast pace,this will tire out johnson and stop him coming forward so much.
Good call. Glen's hands high defense seems to make it so he has to get that 6 inch closer to you in order to get off, so yeah, using the jab on the way in could be a key weapon. You know when you think about it, how does Glen find his way inside so often? he does'nt move his head that much, is not the type to slip a lead then counter, yet he generally manages to find a way inside, and I think its just a culmination of things, 1, he's a tough SOB who keeps coming, 2, he does pick off some of the punches with his gloves, he also has a good chin.