Froch-Glen Johnson analysis........

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  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    this is gonna be a great fight
     
  2. gooners!!

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    It is.

    Should be a high contact fight at the least. :thumbsup
     
  3. crucialcookie

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    I think Froch will beat Johnson more convincingly than anyone has in recent years.

    Two of my favorite fighters but i don't know why people love to hate on froch so much.
     
  4. KO KIDD

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    Good analysis you seem to know a lot about Johnson. Other than his biggest fights I dont know much about his pre Jones career, basically his losses.

    I like both fighters

    Froch I think doesnt get enough credit for his abilities I think he is very skilled a very bruiser type of fighter but has a lot of skills that go unnoticed

    As for the fight its close. Two hard hitting guys with great chins. This has war written all over it. Though Kessler Froch was the best fight of the tourney I said that b4 hand, most said the Abe Froch fight was gonna be the best but they were wrong.

    I think Johnsons stamina will let him down like the Dawson fight.

    Froch on the cards or late TKO
     
  5. HAYE'S ARMY

    HAYE'S ARMY JABMIESTER Full Member

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    No way, tough fight . but Froch win, by UD or late TKO
     
  6. gooners!!

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    :thumbsup


    Yeah Froch is a victim of his style, like Hatton, he will always gets underrated cause he's not as aesthetically pleasing to watch, albeit he still gets the job done.

    Thats why I edge toward Froch, Glen's stamina might be on the slide, so what ever success he does have, I question whether he can maintain it.
     
  7. bailey

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    Just a note on G Johnsons SMW career -
    In 12 SMW fights Johnson has lost 6 of them.
    Johnson has lost at SMW to -

    M Sosa who had 5 losses and 2 draws, and lost his next 2 fights after beating Johnson
    Kiwanuka who had 3 losses and 2 draws, had lost his last 2 fights coming into his fight with Johnson and his fight after Johnson
    Ottke 16-0 who in fairness was an outstanding SMW boxer
    Vanderpool 27-1 who lost his next fight, but in fairness that was at MW to Hopkins and Vanderpool had a good run after
    Branco 38-4-2 who was a world class SMW and became WBA LHW champ
    Sheika who was 19-1 and lost his next fight, though in fairness that was to Calzaghe.

    The SMWs that Johnson has managed to beat
    Campas 3-20-4 coming off of only 2 losses and won his next fight
    Watson 24-16-1, Johnson was his last fight
    Renteria 9-23-5 coming in, whos last 10 fight record before facing Johnson was 0-8-2
    Zimmerman 15-2-0 coming in, who had lost his previous fight and the one after
    A Green 29-2-0 coming in and Johnsons biggest SMW victory

    Its not impressive now is it. Please spare me the robbery talk.
    If any rated SMW losses to Johnson it wont look good on their resume

    A Green 29-2-0 coming in and Johnsons biggest SMW victory To think beating Green was all Johnson had to do to become a Ring rated SMW in todays ratings
     
  8. Uncle Rico

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    I think you're over-analysing things here. Don't be fooled by the Green fight, because Johnson at his incredibly old age, is still boiling down to a weight which won't allow him to be at his best. Froch has got the youth, heart, aggression and power to deal with the old mans pressure, and more. If he needs to, he'll even box him.

    I'd love for Johnson to prove me wrong, but I honestly can't see nothing but a relatively easy win for Froch.
     
  9. iceferg

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    I think this will be a great fight. The close rounds will go to Froch which could be the deciding factor. I think Glen could have beaten him a few years ago but he may have lost a lot of physical advantages he had with getting older and moving down. Probly 116-112 to Froch at this stage I hope Glen can do it though, depends how up for it he is.
     
  10. Jay23

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    REALLY!! you honestly think this is gonna be close?:shock:
     
  11. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People who are using the Green fight as a barometer of how Johnson will do against Froch are in for a wake-up call come fight night. Johnson's a true warrior and hell of a fighter, but he's too old now. Froch will be too much for him over 12 rounds - same way Tavoris Cloud was too much for him over 12 rounds. Same way Chad Dawson was too much for him. Plus, the fight's in England, is it not? Johnson will have to pull a Roy on Froch to get out of the country with a win.
     
  12. Ant68

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    Froch-Abraham II
     
  13. Ant68

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    Not to mention Green was ahead on 2 cards when GJ knocked him out.
     
  14. gooners!!

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    Its not that Glen managed to beat Green, its that he managed to get to him, work his way to where he needed to be so he could do what he needed to do, that was my main point.

    You may not agree, but to my mind Green is technical better than Froch, he punches straighter, shorter, rotates his body sufficiently into his punches, doesn't reach or overshoot punches from out of range like Froch, of coarse Froch is a better fighter overall, although I dont necessarily think he's technically! a better fighter, just that he has more stamina, mental fortitude, durability, heart, which generally sees him through, so what im getting at is, if Green, infact not only Green, but Tarver, Mack, Griffin, who are all technically more refined than Froch, couldn't stop Glen getting inside, that says to me, that Froch might have issues with that, that Glen is pretty adept at doing that.

    Do you get where im coming from?
     
  15. bataglia

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    I was just going to write what Uncle Rico and Ocelot have said - don't use the Green fight too much as basis for Johnson's supposed good shape at 168. To be honest, I thought both Green and Johnson looked quite bad. Green is no surprise because he's never been even top 15 but Johnson's legs looked completely gone to me. You shouldn't let a fighter like Green take rounds off you. Green could have won up to three of them IMO.

    You might say that it was Johnson's pressure that did Green in but I also felt Green couldn't keep up his gameplan because he always folds. In some rounds he had unexpected success. It made me really frustrated because I really wanted Glen to knock him out so we could get rid of him, but I was astonished at how incapable Johnson looked at times. A jab that never worked, not much variety, bad ability to cut off the ring with only a good right hand to save him. It was a hard fight to watch.

    Froch has better movement, a much better jab to offset Glen and more power than Green. Watch for Froch to land looping rights around the guard like Cloud sometimes did. And I'm really curious to see if Froch can further develop his body work from the AA fight. Glen could find himself slowed down before he even gets started. Glen has a high guard and sometimes take periods off to absorb punches - not a good idea vs Froch.

    I also don't think Johnson's pressure will be of the same quality as that of Kessler's. Cloud and Mack (early, before he got tired and felt the power) came to him so he didn't have to be looking for them. The only thing that could win the fight for Johnson is a KO, preferably with his right hand. He actually has underrated power. Make it a war. But somehow i cannot see Froch get stopped. He will have one or two somewhat scary/wake-up-moments but nothing too serious. Froch might also take Glen's right hand away; something he managed to do against both Kessler and AA. He's not a "brawler" or "caveman" as some people foolishly claim - on the contrary he is actually a thinking fighter. He will have Glen's right in mind.

    Johnson's lost legs, age, weight-draining and high guard combined with Froch's power and body work makes me think he will stop Johnson late. Yes, I've said it. But I might be completely wrong and Johnson may surprise me like the first fight vs Dawson. Maybe the right COULD find a way over Froch's low guard with unexpected power?

    I would also like to point out that Johnson is a COMPLETELY different fighter than the green C level guy who faced Hopkins, Sheika and Ottke. He's better now: stronger, better defense, more pronounced gameplan and tougher chin. Those shouldn't be held against him in this particulat match-up like some do here.